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Canada stuck between making new friends and sticking with that one friend that’s gotten super conservative (www.thebeaverton.com)

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[+] primemagnus@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] epicstove@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 weeks ago

Imperial Russia was actual chill with the US. But was not so friendly with the British empire.

It knew it couldn't keep Alaska so may as well sell it to the Yankees before the British take it by force.

Lichtenstein also offered to buy it but that deal didn't go through.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago

I dunno. Sometimes I get the feeling they'd secede and join us if we asked. Hawaii too, if PR or Samoa came first.

I mean, Alaska had a Basic Income scheme. It's surprisingly progressive given our own impression of our own snowy North.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Many natives of Hawaii consider their kingdom to be illegally occupied by the USA, and I don't suppose they would be especially happy about trading the USA for a new colonialist occupier. The Kingdom of Hawaii was a marvel of the world and deserves to exist again.

hat tip to Silver Spook

[-] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Queen Liliuokalani deserves to have her name heard. And the US and the Dole Corporation both owe Hawaiians their sovereignty back.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 weeks ago

Hell's no to any kingdom

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

When the great and powerful democracy of the United States of God or whatever the fuck your despot wants the world to call it this week cannot even match the quality of life previously provided by a small tribal kingdom, Americans forfeit the right to an opinion on the matter.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

I'm not an American...

I'm also simply saying that ANY kingdom is bad. If you come up with whatever reason like "but muh king is the best!" It's still bad. It's still a kingdom meaning that rights are restricted.

I want another leader? Well, too bad, it's not a democracy.

I want to publicly disagree with the leader? Maybe this king allows it. Will their offspring allow it too? No guarantees

I want to publicly criticize the dear king, or maybe insult him?

Do I really need to explain this? The Netherlands still has a king but he has zero power and is purely symbolic. That would be fine if they weren't so fucking expensive.

If you have a king with absolute power them you're screwed one way or the other, today or tomorrow, but it will go badly

[-] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

American here. Fucking true, brother. You tell 'em!

[-] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

There are good kingdoms in the world.

See the Kingdom of Bhutan.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Canada ain't all that bad.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Great .

What if the current king dies?

Also, what is "good" here? Can I insult the king? Can I criticize the king? Can I object to decisions from the king? Do I have the freedom to protest?

That's the thing about democracies, if done right they can always have good leadership.

[-] bowreality@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

I would take Hawaii over Alaska. We got snow ourselves.

[-] BinzyBoi@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Tell that to Dan Sullivan.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world -5 points 2 weeks ago

I think Canada's gun control laws would be one of the biggest factors preventing Alaska joining. Many people depend on their guns there for hunting, defense against wildlife for themselves or their animals, and for self defense. Many people live remotely where police response times may not be fast enough to respond to a violent situation.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

As though Canada doesn't have anything as remote as Alaska... People living in Labrador or Churchill have exactly the same needs.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

And many of those people hate Canada's gun laws. The guy i work with from kapuskasing would gladly have Canada become the 51st state if it meant he could have more guns.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

So? It demonstrates that, contrary to your assertion that people depend on American gun laws, it is perfectly possible to exist in these situations with Canada's gun laws. I get that people have an emotional dependency on guns, but that's not an actual necessity.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

All I claimed was that alaskans would have a hard time giving up their guns to join Canada. I never claimed it was impossible to live rurally without a gun.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Why would they have to give up guns, we have guns in Canada

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Canada had significantly different gun laws and most of their current guns or accessories may be illegal depending on magazine capacity, barrel length, or specific model.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Fair, but that's an easy fix. Like a shotgun holds 5 shells but in Canada you can only have 3 in it, so you load a plug. Change your magazine. Etc. Doesn't mean you give up everything, and on the flip side you get healthcare

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

We have guns in Canada. I went hunting with my dad, there is a certain distance from the city you need to be for firing a gun. Those in more remote areas of Canada have guns for all the things you stated. My neighbour in our city, has about 8 guns; hand guns, long guns. People think Canada doesn't have guns because we don't flaunt them as our lifestyle.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Can you give us a couple months to get there first so we can join you guys?

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Russia didn't hate the US more than Britain yet?

[-] Kaboom@reddthat.com 0 points 2 weeks ago

Because the crown was stupid or something like that

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah just cut them out.

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago

Sticking with the conservative friend is always a waste of time unless you're planning on becoming conservative too.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

As a USian, trust me, you don't want to become one, brain worms are bad!

[-] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago

Man I'm not gloating until 2035 at the earliest.

We might implode in the same embarrassing way in the elections after Carney wins because I see it the same as the USA with the same indoctrination and media empires. If cons win, that's it now. I don't think they're gonna deescalate any time soon and change their ways.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

"Gotten super conservative" is underselling it a bit.

It's more like that neighbour that had all kinds of problems has suddenly flipped out. They locked one of the kids in the shed, and it sounds like the kid is still trapped there. They took the doors off the other kids' rooms so that they had no privacy because the Internet told them kids are dressing up as furries and peeing in kitty litter. They've stopped paying their bills and chased a meter reader off with a shotgun. They've started trying to rip the copper out of the walls to sell it online.

You'd call the cops on them, but the neighbour is a cop, so there's not much you can do. That's why you had to choose your words carefully when the neighbour dropped by with a gun on his hip saying the property line was drawn wrong and your house was actually on their property: and you could see that the new property line was just drawn in with a sharpie.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

more like the brother that has been influencing your other brother and dad and truth be told is messing a bit with your head.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

At least seeing their friend take that turn made them start to rethink the whole plan of putting Tories in government. Minus Ford I guess.

[-] systemglitch@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago

I used to be friends with the guy next door. Now I have a gun in hand, and if he comes over, I'll have to shoot him.

Time for new friends.

[-] CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

You sound american, because that is illegal in Canada.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I think the poster is trying to paint the picture of America being the neighbor and "coming over" as an invasion.

[-] CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 weeks ago

Still illegal, until this hypothetical invasion happens. Which I don't see happening. What I do see is that the orange guy is causing a recession.

[-] systemglitch@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

Wanting to defend myself from a potential invader is American? Lol. That desire to fight for what one loves is literally why your bloodline exists. Be grateful for it.

You can callously disregard this threat to our sovereignty, but I'll never be so naive again.

[-] CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 weeks ago

I am assuming you are a white guy in their 40-60's. How close am I?

[-] systemglitch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You assumptions about age and race have nothing to do with anything unless you are searching for a reason to discriminate. You don't have to answer how close I am, because I nailed it.

I'm also blocking you, because wow what a waste of time you have been.