[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 17 minutes ago

They didn’t create all those people in the streets.

Apparently a lot of those far-right NGOs who were "the muscles" of Maidan were funded by west. I guess most of those have found their way to Valhalla by now. Certainly there were some civilian activists as well. I hope they don't have to participate in undersupplied meat assaults.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 hour ago

If you're interested what ukrainians are talking about today, it's how USAID funded Maidan in 2014 and how it explains why we don't have Maidan now even though we have 100x reasons for it. In the meanwhile, Verkhovna Rada fighting each other while admitting terrible mismanagement of the frontlines. I'm personally researching some threads on extents of foreign influence in 2014 Maidan and some general things about colour revolutions.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 7 hours ago

Casual adhominem comment

Thanks for your valuable contribution to the discussion.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 7 hours ago

They can't efficiently extend frontline "into the depth" (km) because it leads to "cauldrons", so they extend it along all the border.

My point is that that’s an incredibly poor showing for Russia fighting against a massively outnumbered enemy that’s mismanaging a war fought by people who don’t want to fight.

It took 2 absurd failing counteroffensives to wipe all willing soldiers and forced conscription started just half of year ago, and everything was on rapid decline since then. It doesn't all happen overnight.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 7 hours ago

Why would they need soldiers “when the time comes” / “when the day comes”? I thought Ukraine was a lot more evil dictatorship than Russia. Aren’t you looking forward to peace? Wouldn’t it be nicer to have Russia on their borders, with open borders and free media, and finally put an end to the corruption of Ukraine? You said you were looking forward to the Russian military rolling over Kyiv, and then you could leave under the auspices of Russia’s more friendly government. Right?

I don't understand where do you see any paradox in that. Yes I'm looking forward to peace for Ukraine. Yes, I think it will be possible to leave the country in case of peace deal or if Ukraine falls. Yes, I consider it possible for Russia to continue and attack EU states eventually. Do you think I'm telling NATO to come fight for Ukraine or something? That would be neat, but that's obviously not going to happen.

and then you could leave under the auspices of Russia’s more friendly government

It's not that they are kind, they just less absurd and at least don't sabotage their own economy and morale as hard as ukrainian government does.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 15 hours ago

Also, it's 68196-65871=2325 km since September 3.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 15 hours ago

I like the one with "are you sure how this evening will end?" It gives some funny spy vibes.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 15 hours ago

Idk where you get that from, you can check the map that is updated every day here: https://deepstatemap.live I just checked total occupied territory month ago and today and it's 68196-67889=307 km in a month.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 15 hours ago

That’s not how Ukraine does it, is it?

It is how Ukraine does it, too. Currently I don't think you can go for contract when you already have to be mobilized according to databases (on "Wanted" list in apps like "Reserve+" or "Dija"). And payment is laughable anyway. It would be really easy to boost morale if government decided to end forced conscription and paid to volunteers more than russia does. And it also could probably help to stabilize the frontlines. Given how much they steal I'm pretty sure they have more than enough money to pay more than russians 22k$ to volunteers as a single-time payment.

why he thinks NATO uses the “contract soldier” vs “conscripts” distinction

Too bad if they doesn't. What they gonna do when the time comes. In EU conscious objection is supposed to work, so people can decline en masse (did you know that includes personal beliefs, not necessarily religion?). They'd better start using that distinction asap and consider soldier as a full-time work even in peace time. So that enough people will be paid to be soldiers like a job but in case of war they and only they will go fight and no one else.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 16 hours ago

I agree. I wanted to say it's kind of immoral to write that propaganda when you're not even fighting yourself. And it's twice as immoral when you know that no one wants to fight anymore and people are forced against their will. Not that something should be banned.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Some of what he’s saying is clearly total bullshit (“Both Ukraine and Russia are hopeless corrupt evil dictatorships” “ukraine beats, kidnaps and tortures people to send them to meat grinder” “a worse dictatorship than russia is”)

There are thousands of videos like this: https://streamable.com/lzh27n

If you want to check the scale of this and find more videos and news of how this is going, you can check this telegram channel: https://t.me/+MUx169gobDtjZjJh

Many of our videobloggers compare this to Holodomor due to the fact that those who were executing those orders back then were also locals.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 16 hours ago

“Military is terribly mismanaged”

Military commandment is very bad. A lot of soldiers escape from there (AWOL/deserting), everybody is talking about this, even the most patriotic bloggers that oppose ceasefires etc.

“US/EU giving money to Ukraine is basically sponsoring kidnapping/torturing/killing people who don’t want to fight”

How are regular ukrainian soldiers responsible for any of this? It's the fault of our corrupt government. Most soldiers are also very unhappy with this mismanagement and and ask to not send people who will most likely desert from battlefield to their brigades.

“it’s not like they can’t go to Ukraine-controlled territories and mobilize there and go to the frontlines if they really care for this country so much”

Sure because that whole article is bullshit propaganda by people who will never have to fight in war themselves. Is it even moral to be allowed to have a voice in question of whether to continue the war when they aren't even subject to conscription?

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