I've already refuted your nonsense. You keep invoking the ghosts of authoritarian conscription and refuse to accept the parallels between an enhanced fundamental education with a coop portion and invoke your own irrational fears.
Disingenuous argumentative trolling. Welcome to my ban list.
You are certifiable. No one but you is talking about the draft. No one is incarcerated for skipping school, but it is mandatory. You keep bringing up nonsense that does not need to exist.
I think we're done here.
Ok. I get it. You are irrational. You keep bringing up militarism while I have refuted it over and over again. That is not what anyone but you is talking about. Public education is mandatory and you are ok with that because it benefits the individual and society, but adding a 2 year PAID COOP in any number of civil projects of your choosing is now military conscription under threat of state violence? This is irrational.
Show me the lists of state violence for kids who play hookie? Where are the prison camps or mass graves or any other evidence of state violence against students? Is tree planting or community building nationalism? Is a paid coop in a field of your choosing slavery? Are you for real?
I don't know who hurt you, but I'm sorry it happened to you. You have some PTSD sounding ramblings invoking ghosts of something or somewhere or someone that has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED HERE. You keep pulling these ghosts back into the conversation like a trauma response. It is preventing you from objectively seeing what is being discussed and participating rationally. You talk about the worst examples of what other countries have done like that's the only option, rather than imagine what is possible and desirable for us all in a time of crisis. Canada is in a crisis. You also appear to be in one of your own.
For the record, I am not conservative. I'm progressive, pro-labour, class conscious NDP voter capable of complex thought, subtlety and nuance. No bigotry here. I'm fighting for a Canada that rejects American privatization for a return to Canadian standards of a mixed market economy where well regulated private enterprise thrives where it can and social enterprise thrives where it must.
I love Canada. I love even more the vision of what Canada can be when community works together.
What a weird response. Primary and secondary education are mandatory for everyone in Canada. This is mandatory CIVIC service. High School in many provinces have mandatory volunteerism in your community. E.g. Ontario requires 40 hours of volunteering.
We're proposing 2 years additional paid service. Think of it like adding 2 years coop program. Not entirely unlike Cégep in QC, but not in the classroom, but in the workplace. Each individual could pick their program. Military service would be one possibility where THOSE WHO WILLINGLY CHOOSE IT are basically a fulltime Canadian Forces Reservist, or a newly formed Civil Defense unit for their coop term.
For conscientious objectors like you, you can select CIVIL service. Could be in daycares, nursing homes, hospitals, agriculture, homebuilding, care for the homeless, addiction treatment, filling potholes, disaster relief, tree planting, maintaining national or provincial parks, forest firefighting, disaster relief, any number of government projects etc...
No one is asking you to pick up a gun. No one is asking you to fight. No one is asking you to wear a uniform or get a haircut. Your assignment is chosen by you subject to qualifications and availability/demmand of the role. Like Katimavik, it could also be an opportunity to travel to another province and learn more and experience all that Canada is. Your time is paid so you are not a slave.
This is a win/win proposition.
Hiding behind calling yourself an anarchist, while enjoying the rights and freedoms of Canadian democracy is hypocritical. If you want to live your values you could try moving to any number of failed states and lawless lands. I hear Mogadishu is lovely in the spring.
Civil: /sĭv′əl/
adjective Of, relating to, or befitting a citizen or citizens. "civil duties." Of or relating to citizens and their interrelations with one another or with the state. "government agencies concerned with civil affairs." Of ordinary citizens or ordinary community life as distinguished from the military or the ecclesiastical. "married in a civil ceremony at city hall." The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik
Military OR CIVIL service. Reading isn't for everyone.
Sure. There is a scale where my example was an extreme for illustration. Your point a very reasonable one as well. If I was running a a cafe I would offer it but I am Canadian. If I were french and you asked for a baguette olive loaf you would find yourself in a guillotine. Context matters and traditions matter more than commerce in many cultures.
Does lemmy have an equivalent of /r/collapse?
It's only a failure if they wanted to do that kind of business. If I open an Italian restaurant and someone orders Thai, did I fail?
Why would we want to? The US was a shithole country full of no-gozones before Trump. Now it's a bona-fide dumpster fire of institutionalized corruption suffering and cruelty.
Does it come with a bayonet, or did you mean they can just move?