Oh, the historical fascisms such as under Stalin and Pol Pot, right.

it's in principle undetermined in ideology

Correct in so far, as it‘s determined by economic system. Which happens to align with left/right ideology.

But the only principles really important for any kind of fascism are violence, anti-rationalism and amorphous ideology.

You’re making shit up depending on how your tummy feels, don‘t you?

Please stop using the internet.

The article showcases the hypocrisy in demanding the oppressed people to behave more human than the barbaric oppressor is actually behaving towards them. Argueing that this user might not be a real account, just because you (or the other user, whatever) are unable to comprehend the critique is lazy and dishonest.

This is dumb. It's dependant on the mother tongue how and if a definitive article is being used with Ukraine. In German for example, you say "die Ukraine", and a natural translation into colloquial English results in the use of "the Ukraine". This doesn't mean to be a Sergei.

All countries are the baddies from some perspective.

It was an invitation to reflect your deranged yapping about what is morally correct and who deserves what. You're basing your moral perspectives off of western propaganda and are unable to see through it, because you don't even try. But morals, as I mentioned, are not part of the decision tree of imperial war efforts.

The most efficient thing to do, would be to do any and everything to stop the killing. Europe's capitalist class is not interested in that. But me telling you that probably triggers some kind of brainrot accusation of being a Russian bot from you. Breath, don't, I'm not, chill.

You sniffed the NATO stuff a bit too hard and fell off the deep end, my friend. Off to the front you go. It's the only morally correct thing for you to do.

Europe is not going to defend a sovereign state. Europe is not defending itself as you understand it. Europe consistently pushes for us/them.

it was Russians who made themselves the morally corrupt 'them' by killing people in Europe.

Geopolitics is not about morals. But I'm sure Rheinmetall is happy to hear your perspective.

Are we the baddies?

See: nazi bar, and you being the bartender.

explain.

Apart from you argueing in favor of ableism, which in and of itself is disgusting, the whole deleted comment is: „maybe that could be a way to justify the killing of what I define as authoritarian people“ and by authoritarian they mean extreme left, which they don‘t even understand. They‘re fascist, just like your community defending that take, cheering it on.

~~What‘s your defense, fascist?~~ What‘s your opinion on that take, goat? or cm0002? let‘s hear it.

Ridicule me however you want, you‘re still the one happily using fascist language.

I like how you're calling people who post a pig shitting on itself as a "more serious people" 

Not sure exactly what your point is other then displaying your rotten character.

You‘re babysitting a community, that exists and thrives only to poke fun at another set of people they‘ve learned to disagree with, even dehumanizing them, wanting to get rid of them, and you‘re participating and replicating it. The justification is „documenting“, but all you‘re documenting is your very limited world view and your malice.

What’s a person to think of this kind of mindset? 

Tell me, because that‘s the purpose of this thread. 

And how are they ignorant exactly? 

Saying that ignorance creates fascism is extremely vague, that can mean anything. 

Hm, yes indeed, since ignorance implies a lack of knowledge, this might not be the most precise term. What’s observable here is more of a willful set of actions and beliefs that‘s actively fostered: dehumanization, tribalism, hate, bigotry, malevolance, eliminationism.

Ignorance goes along with that, but might be a step removed. Let‘s call it wilful ignorance then. What it leads to other than fascism? Maybe think about that yourself, instead of asking outsiders, that you don‘t take seriously anyway.

But how do any of these comments support your claim that liberalism is fascism? 

If you want a more serious discussion, we can certainly have one for a bit, you can start 

Good bait. Bad reading comprehension. You’re a troll and acting in bad faith. Let‘s discuss, once you grow up.

E: Earlier you said this, too bad you didn‘t expand on it:

I agree that the West looks at the world with a western lens and that is ignorant. 

What did you actually mean here? What is ignorant about it? What are the consequences? What is this „western lens“ actually doing with this community? And why are you running a community built on ignorance then? Classic Lib strategy of saying things that sound progressive, but upon closer inspection are empty shells to hide their ignorance?

@metallic_substance@lemmy.world calls the whole instance, or rather their users dipshits, has no argument, only ad hominem.

@finitebanjo@lemmy.world offers insults involving cocks, not sure what‘s up with that, but that sure is another ad hominem without any argument.

@finitebanjo@lemmy.world just doesn‘t take reality seriously, but thinks he‘s being clever by making fun of people that argue against capitalism.

@gabbath@lemmy.world has similar delusions about imperialism

Both are unserious people that have not a single original thing to offer, except ridicule towards more serious people.

I absolutely misread the comment about „the best way to nuke any lefty community“ by @Gsus4@feddit.nl and therefore edited it out of my original comment.

Anyway, the observation is, that this community is oozing with toxic behaviour, circlejerking on another group of people that they obviously don‘t even try to understand, but are afraid of and want to exlude or „get rid off“. Void of any arguments. This shit is what ignorant people do.

@goat@sh.itjust.works (you, mod) stays superficial in their reaction on the content itself only to construct a strawman about a group that wasn‘t mentioned with an argument that wasn‘t made. — but, this might have been an honest interpretation, alright.

Btw, goat, what is „ignorance“ in its political manifestation, if not the foundation of fascism? We should do better. You should do better. This place is a disgrace to any kind of intellectual discourse and the fediverse as a whole. You‘re modding a community driven by blind hatred.

I didn‘t call anyone fascist directly, but rather described what they are doing in reality as fascist — in a facetious way, sure, but nonetheless the truth®.

IMO, enlightened centrists are not equal to liberals, as that kind of category describes people that reject any kind of extreme position, while also laying claim on what is and what isn‘t the right thing to do or think and where these borders are to be drawn, all while being unable to break through their own biases and misconceptions … and always (!) end up personally attacking their opponent or argue against strawmen.

Autocratic extremists in their own right. Destructive overall and enablers of fascist thought and therefore enablers of fascist realities.

Here, in this very thread, we have folks, that are very likely economically oppressed themselves, but also refuse to actually educate themselves or can‘t stand to get educated by people that genuinely try to improve society. They rather ridicule the people, that use words like „capitalism“ or „imperialism“, as if those words weren‘t real things that shape the world we all live in, trying to „win“ in the name of their perspective, while also ignoring half the equation. ~~Or that guy that downright wants to „nuke all leftist communities“. But surely, no fascists in sight.~~