[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 6 days ago

We can tell animals don’t want to die in the same way we can tell they don’t want to feel pain, by the fact that they try to avoid it.

pain avoidance is very different from death avoidance, in that avoiding death requires that you understand that you, yourself, might die. we call this understanding "personal mortality" and we don't have proof non-human animals understand personal mortality, so we cant possibly have proof they want not to die. to the best of our understanding, they are death-agnostic.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 6 days ago

Your actual belief is opposition to veganism

no. "skepticism", maybe, but i'm not opposed to it.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 6 days ago

they may feel that way, but I know what I'm saying is True

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 6 days ago

what I said is true

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 6 days ago

when i'm saying something factual, getting pushback indicates a level of cognitive dissonance that i find, personally, annoying.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

frankly, I don't care for debate at all. id rather you read what I say, understand it is true, and upvote.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 6 days ago

“Yes I went full offense despite no reading the other person’s evidence and the shit I was saying was wrong and completely uncalled for, but I eventually realized my mistake, and then continued my offense.”

this is a straw man. and i wasn't wrong: what i said is it is no longer the acamedy's position that a vegan diet can be healthy at all stages of development, and i've been right this whole time.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 6 days ago

we can suffiently ascertain the workings of an animal’s mind by observing their behavior when it comes to trying to avoid feeling pain

understanding pain does not require the understanding of the potential for mortality.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 6 days ago

given the guidance i've been given from, now, 3 admins, i'm just going to find another instance.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 6 days ago

i have objections to each of the examples you've raised, but they are red herrings, since they could not have been the reason for a ban, or i would have been banned when they occurred.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 6 days ago

You don’t have the right to hurl accusations back at people when they’re right and you don’t have a leg to stand on.

that's not the situation we were in.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 6 days ago

Imagine an argument over a vaccines where the pro-vaccine person has a bunch of evidence in their favor and the antivaxxer keeps bringing up a flaw in one specific paper that the other person isn’t even relying on.

they were relying on that for their initial claim, and never backed off the very strong, but unsupported, claim. the evidence they brought later does not support that claim.

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