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[-] 666@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In the other case, yeah, it is good propaganda. It's something great to stir revolutionary sentiment, truly. Honestly, myself, I'd like to see more. That's really it though. It's just a one-off event, perhaps with a couple copy-cats that result in nothing more than added security and bulletproof limousines. Countries in the exploited periphery still have yet to tear off their shackles despite their long history of direct-action. Left-wing urban guerillas in West Germany are a great example of this in the imperial core; they had plenty propaganda of the deed to draw people to their side and even enjoyed popular support. Without mass organization, however, they were unable to actually effect the conditions around them.

Those who engage in that form of practice in mass-organization successfully are culled. Fred Hampton, M.L.K, etc. Of course it isn't completely useless, it's called propaganda of the deed for a reason. It's that we have history to compare it to that shows us that ultimately it isn't much worth for change.

You're not going to be able to actually "change" anything without addressing the imperialism and the exploited periphery to deal with the labor aristocracy. What you can do is make an effect on your local community or build one, agitprop and engage in other forms of adventurism when you can. There are more effective things than shooting C.E.Os. I'd look towards the contamination of Israeli clean-rooms as an example of more effective sabotage.

[-] mudpuppy@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

i think it's basically a prerequisite right now. now that the propaganda has been so effective, i think any attempt to organize people for real change would be a whole lot easier.

[-] 666@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A prerequisite to what? The 1800s era of propaganda of the deed? It was effective in stirring sentiment, sure, but it didn't accomplish anything compared to other examples I mentioned and to what I said.

I also personally think people who advocate for this type of risky direct action should be leading the example. As who of those that advocate organization; not everyone on here is just "not organizing".

[-] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

A prerequisite to what? The 1800s era of propaganda of the deed? It was effective in stirring sentiment, sure, but it didn't accomplish anything compared to other examples I mentioned and to what I said.

i'd note there's probably kind of an inherent difference between propaganda of the deed in the 1800s and propaganda of the deed in 2024 where you can literally livestream it to millions

[-] 666@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 month ago

I agree. I mentioned earlier that sure, you get more spread and reach. On the other edge of the sword you have people way more comfortable and steeped into even deeper echo chambers and paradigms. Propaganda of the deed nowadays can reach millions and we've seen something like this before. Did it really inspire anything other than some people on the internet cheering for the next week? It isn't the first time an insurance CEO was iced in NYC.

Hegemony wasn't implanted as deep in the 1800s.

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