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whoever is responsible for naming a historical epoch the "modern" period needs to be spiritually punished by mysterious forces in an unusual manner (hexbear.net)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by WhyEssEff@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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oh wow look at me I'm a human! when do I live? now, clearly. Everyone older than me lived in these descriptive periods of history that define the je ne sais quoi of the everything. I'm gonna tell everyone in the future that I'm living in the "now" time! wowwww, fuck you dickhead, real fucking selfless ain'cha. now we have to deal with the mass confusion every time someone distinguishes between modern[^1] and contemporary.[^2] i want your incorporeal form toyed with by forces unknown to me because you've slightly inconvenienced literally everyone in the modern day. jackass

[^1]: kinda not now technically, depending on context [^2]: definitively now

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[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago

like how World War 1 and 2 are gonna get covered as a single event, or how the US is gonna be mistaken for latter half of the British Empire.

[-] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago

Historians like Enzo Traverso or Losurdo already argue this, that WWI and WWII are actually a long Second Thirty Years War

[-] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

The late revival of the roman empire.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

or how the US is gonna be mistaken for latter half of the British Empire.

same-picture

[-] Thorngraff_Ironbeard@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

I mean the world wars and the interwar period is basically a 30 years war situation.

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago

WWI is pretty intimately linked with the race for Africa and the colonial wars. There’s definitely a telling of 20th century history where you treat the two world wars as discrete events, with WWI marking the end of the colonial wars, and WWII marking the beginning of the Cold War and decolonization.

[-] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

Is WWII not just an extension of these colonial wars by the powers that "lost" in the race for colonies? Japan attempts to take the Asian colonial possessions of the British and the Americans, the Italians attempt to take the North African colonial possessions of mainly France and Britain (as well as their own colonial war in Ethiopia), and Germany attempts to apply colonialism as well as colonial tactics of control and genocide to Eastern Europe in its mission to create colonial "living space".

[-] Lemister@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

Yes Germany, Italy and Japan were the upcoming revisionist powers that tried to disrupt the old world order of the Anglosphere and France. The United States had already supplanted Britan pre-bellum as the largest economy and the internal closed market of the british empire was threatened to be opened to the dollar by south africa. While Russia was seen as a threat due to its (potential) and later realized industrialization.

Thats why Lenin predicted the Pacific war from Japan against the United states, before it happened.