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Because drinking "milk" from nuts and oats isn't weird?
People have been drinking animal milk for thousands of years so the weird ones are those pretending some heavily processed industry process isn't weird.
Always great to put that into arguments. It doesn't really mean anything but it sounds dubious.
Making things requires a process‽ Can't explain that!
Points for the interrobang! :)
"Milk" from nuts and oats is just a word. Call it oat juice, oat extract, make up a new word and call it oat zligbab. The actual thing being drunk is not far from the realm of things we already drink and eat. Getting hung up on it being called "milk" is a superficial and disingenuous argument against it.
If you want to compare the extremes of industrialized processes, are you familiar with commercial dairy farming?
it's water pressed through oats/nuts to add a little flavor, not from a nut teet.
I mean, with advanced enough genetic engineering, we might be able to make nut teets a thing...
Then do not compare that to milk. First guy used the comparison.
Damn, guess we all have to stop calling it peanut butter then 🙄
I unironically agree.
People drink it as an alternative because it has similar gustatory properties, so yes it very much is something that can be compared to animal milk.
It's called oat milk because it's a nut-based beverage deliberately designed to mimic many of the properties and uses of actual cow's milk. It's not like oat milk is literally just juice pressed from oats. There are a whole series of steps, added ingredients, and chemical processes meant to make the resulting product as interchangeable for cow's milk as possible.
It's used in the same way for the same recipes. Yes, production-wise it doesn't have much to do with animal milk, but culinarily it's similar. Do you feel as strongly about the fact the "vegetables" as a grouping doesn't make any biological or production sense either?
Biologically it's extremely weird to drink another animals milk. No other mammal does that.
No other animal does what we're doing here either. Weird isn't necessarily bad
Cats will do it? Or you mean no other animal goes to get it? Because livestock will deffo grab a boob even if it's not mom's.
But it's not industrialized by other mammals would be absolutely true.
Cats will drink cow's milk, and then shit catastrophically everywhere within nine feet of the sand box except in the sand box. Kittens drink mama cat's milk, then when weaned no more milk ever.
Little snake eyed bean toed fluff cheeked lactose intolerating quadrupeds.
This is the most hilariously written PSA against the whole "cats and a saucer of milk" trope holy crap LOL.
I don't know where that nonsense started but it's definitely not beneficial to the
My cat loves mozzarella cheese. It's the one human food she begs for. She'll turn up amd wait around while I'm making chicken soup because she knows she'll get a morsel or two of boiled chicken, but she won't cry at me. She cries for mozzarella when I'm making a pizza.
If she gets her snout around any cheese I'll be washing the ceiling.
Mine also loves mozzarella! No matter how much I try to be quiet, any time I open a string cheese, he's there in 2 seconds.
Does it have the same effect on your cat as mine?
Nah, but the closest he ever comes to acting "excited" is when he's upset. For string cheese or kibble (his other favorite), he'll get close by, then just sit and stare. He might reach out with a paw if I ignore him, but he's kinda aloof. He's also very much a grazer, and not super food motivated. In fact, when he was an only kitty, I'd throw a treat, he'd chase it, catch it, then look up at me to throw the next instead of eating it. So, I'd throw a few, then pick them all up and throw them again and again, and eventually he'd start eating them. Once I adopted a second cat, he learned to eat them right away.
My other cat had digestive troubles for the first year, so I haven't given him any cheese, but he's way more food motivated and often yells at me while I'm taking too long to prepare his meals. If he ever catches on to the cheese thing, he'd probably have a similar response to your cat.
I mean soy milk has been around since the 14th century.
Processing and industrialization is something that's happened to most things in our food chain, including actual milk.
Nut milk is just nuts and water, you can make it yourself super easy.
Drinking the milk of another mammal after you were weaned is freaking weird and unique to humans and unnecessary and bad for the environment and isn't done by a significant portion of the world's population.
I love milk but I do agree with you. Whenever I actually stop to think about it, the concept of milk is pretty damn weird. I feel the same way about eggs
Sounding like a vegan before they’ve realised
I'm not against veganism and I'd probably be at least a vegetarian if lab grown meat was more widely available. I have celiac though so my food options are already limited so I don't want to limit them further
So you are against clothes? Anither thing only humans do.
Or dentistry.
You know what also isn't done by a significant part of the world? Eating insects. But im not gonna go and call their eating habbits weird just because it's not something I grew up with.
It's called being tolerant and accepting of others culture.
The ability to digest animal milk is literally a genetic mutation that was useful enough to have spread to about 40% of the world's population. Milk is an amazing source of nutrients and before food was as secure as it is now it was a lifeline during long winters.
You can talk as moral as you like about your personal preferences but the genetic record clearly indicates that our ancestors needed animal milk to survive. And in today's society with pasteurization making cow milk safe even in the midst of a H5N1 epidemic in cows it continues to be an amazing source of nutrients, giving a near complete baseline of nutrients for an individual's diet. There's a reason schools push kids to drink milk every day and it's not just the dairy lobby
Your said so yourself, the genetic adaptation is present in a minority of the population and these days it's not necessary in the vast majority of the world since the nutrients can easily be found elsewhere.
Yes, the reason why it's pushed in schools is very much the dairy lobby. When Health Canada created the most recent food guide they got rid of the industry's influence and instead focused on science... Well, dairy is pretty much gone, they only say small quantities of low fat dairy can be part of healthy eating habits.
https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/
Guess who was pissed? The dairy industry because it needs the publicity and getting removed showed Canadians that we were just fooled by marketers.
How does the majority of humans manage to survive without drinking it in school? 😱 Wake up, you've been had by a billions dollars multinational industry.
why are you trying to destroy an ethnic minority's cultural foods?
Yes a minority of the world population, but it is present in a majority of the American population (about 70%)
My point about the schools is that kids often have craptastic diets, be that due to poor parenting or just kids being picky eaters, and milk rounds out the diet and fills in the gaps since it's such a great source of nutrients
Bro I just think milk and dairy tastes good (plus it's full of good nutrients and pretty dang healthy) and you're being weird about pushing your personal preferences on others while making vague moral judgments.
There's a significant amount of processing going on in nut milk production. Yes you can make your own which is true for a lot of foods but the stuff you buy at the store is heavily processed.
Just because we're the only mamal that does it doesn't mean anything because we're the only mamal that does a ton of stuff that doesn't make it weird. It is definitely terrible for the planet but not sure what you mean by a significant portion of the worlds population. I'm pretty sure cheese is in almost all cultures or are you just saying straight milk.
drinking milk has no impact on the environment
What?
https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks
those are impacts from production. once it's produced, drinking it has no impact at all.
but I would be remiss if I didn't point out that your link relies on poore-nemecek 2018, which ignores the fact that LCA studies cannot be combined. it's bad science.
High speed doesn't kill anyone, it's the sudden deceleration that does.
if we stop drinking milk, and it continues to be produced, the environmental impacts will not cease. if we stop production, it will.
Because if we don't, milk farmers will just continue producing milk for what reason exactly?