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Here's how Ukraine was being reported by the West before the war.

Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.

These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.

Five years after Maidan, the beacon of democracy is looking more like a torchlight march. A neo-Nazi battalion in the heart of Europe

If you whitewash NAZI POGROMS just because you want to beat Russia, fuck you. Siding with far-right fascists to defeat far-right fascists doesn't make you the good guy. There is no lesser of two evils here.

If you dismiss any criticism of Ukraine as Russian propaganda, you might want to ask why the rest of the world, including the West, was concerned about Nazism in the area and then suddenly changed their tune only after the war started.

We should be getting both sides into peace negotiations, not prolonging the bloodshed and providing Nazis with illegal cluster bombs

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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago

Fuck all Nazis, regardless of country. That being said, "denazification" was a disgusting lie told by an imperialist who has plenty of Nazi's living in his own country to deal with so he could commit cultural genocide.

[-] Redcat@hexbear.net 81 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

so he could commit cultural genocide.

look, zelensky is a jewish person who sees israeli apartheid as a model to be followed but i wouldn't go so far that as to say he wanted to do cultural genocide. it's just azov and the right sector who wanted to.

and as we all know azov and the far right militias are now in command of the ukrainian army / government. they don't exist anymore. so it's all good.

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[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 77 points 1 year ago

It's almost impossible to tell you liberals apart from the fascists these days with how much fascist rhetoric you use without knowing what you're doing. I'm begging you to stop doing the work of fascists trying to diminish the holocaust. Stop using the word genocide so fucking cynically. Appending 'cultural' to it isn't a fucking wildcard that makes it valid in any situation. When you continually use the word 'genocide' for things like there just being a war, you reduce what happened in the holocaust to those lesser things. YOU'RE MAKING IT OKAY TO BE A NAZI BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T THAT BAD.

[-] StalinForTime@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

I think this is because the liberal west is fascicizing, and has always had these tendencies somewhat but they are deffo intensifying imo. It's true tho that when u compare modern Democrat imperialist bureacrats to those of the past it seems to be that they're more nationalistically mask off now and more willing to openly support Neo-Nazis. Before it seemed a bit more surreptitious.

[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

fuck all nazis. doing anything about them is super bad though, we should simply debate the nazis out of existence

Death to America

[-] SimulatedLiberalism@hexbear.net 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Russia was appealing to their former WWII allies about the Four Ds: demilitarization, denazification, decentralization, and democratization that came out of the Potsdam Conference.

Russia was saying hey, former allies, don’t forget what we have all promised about Nazism. Why are you promoting, arming and supporting Nazi activity in our doorsteps?

As you will note, the words denazification and demilitarization were specifically chosen to remind the Western powers of their promises.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Why wouldn't Putin want to purge Ukrainian Nazis? As diehard nationalists who were spearheading attacks on Donbas to begin with, it makes sense to purge them.

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

Could you give me a source or any proof that to show that Nazis amongst the citizens are significantly more numerous than any other European country? Or that Nazis are in any significant numbers within the country or celebrated by the government like Ukraine does?

They constantly crack down on fascists all the time ever since Putin was in office. Russia probably has the strongest anti Nazi culture of any country

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/24/world/europe/24iht-russia.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-medvedev-nationalism-idUSTRE70G4DP20110117

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2015/9/23/behind-russias-ultra-nationalist-crackdown

[-] StalinForTime@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah Russia is a weird case because it is a very nationalist country and has swung massively to the right on social questions since the fall of the USSR, and there were may fascist groups that emerged there after that, similarly to the rest of Eastern Europe (National Bolsheviks are only the most well-known example), and it has had problem with racism and racist violence.

Nevertheless it's interesting that the Russian state's nationalism, due to its history, and due to the pragmatism of the state, is willing to crack down hard on these groups.

I'd add tho that fascists can dislike other fascists, especially of other nationalities, and that Nazism is just one type of fascism. There has legitimately been an issue with far-right individuals in groups like Wagner, which should surprise no-one if you've ever actually met or interacted with people who have experience as private security, many of whom are ex mercenaries, etc..

[-] SimulatedLiberalism@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nationalism is simply the inevitable outcome for any country that has been colonized by a foreign imperialist power.

It is a very potent weapon, that can be harnessed for chauvinist purpose (as in European imperialism where the concept was first originated) or for anti-colonial struggle (nearly all of the post-war decolonization and independence movements had strong component of nationalism - from the Chinese communists and nationalists fending off Japanese invaders in the early 20th century, all the way to today’s West Africa’s struggle against their French colonizers).

Without nationalism, your state will be quickly disintegrate into dozens of provincial authorities and constant civil war between various warlord factions. Like it or not, national consciousness is what holds the state together when it comes to resisting foreign colonial powers.

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[-] MarxFuryRoad@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Apart from war crimes, I take this as one the most unforgivable things from an antifascist point of view. Putin, as the head of the russian state is completely dragging through the mud the glorious legacy of the big patriotic war.

80 years ago, russians lost millions to save the world. Now, it's all being turned into a an excuse for imperialism an tyrany.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

Russians lost millions of live to whom? And who was engaging in eight years of pogroms and direct attacks on civilians in the Donbass? It's almost like exactly because of the history of Nazism as it relates to Russia, modern neo-Nazis doing ethnic cleansing on their borders might be of some concern to the Russians.

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[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

imperialism an tyrany

jesse-wtf wasn't expecting a hexbear to be regurgitating this 'words for emotion not content' nonsense

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

using "imperialism" as if it just means "war"

Marx is in your username, where is the awareness of political economy in your brain?

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