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more adventures on rednote mostly because it’s entertaining how mad people get when i talk about it :3 /halfjoke
this was posted 12/31 btw so i don’t think “the mods haven’t gotten to it yet” is a real thing
#le is common in parallel to the anglosphere’s #wlw which i think is adorable
my number one qualm with little red book so far is there is no native translation like tiktok has. lots of google translate is necessary to get the social media to social :P
necessary disclaimer: fuck the CCP and all the real violence and repression they do. just want to give credit given where due, and so far here im just seeing a lot of assumptions with no evidence? so im gonna post what my experience is :) i welcome all to do the same
Now ask if you can be in a gay marriage in China (nope).
Ask if it is completely legalto be fired just because you are gay (yup).
China isn't good on LGBTQ+ rights
Neither is the US. Have you been paying any kind of attention?
We had to throw bricks, go to prison, and die in public to get what little we have in spite of the state, and the second we got the tiniest shred of equity, they're working on oppressing us even more than before Stonewall.
You're talking to someone who's been explicitly terminated from a job explicitly for being gay. Legally. With no uncertain terms that was the reason.
Not to mention my queer ass will just fucking die next time I can't afford life-saving healthcare.
I can get gay married in the USA. There currently are legal protections against discrimination in the USA. The USA is without question a better nation for LGBT+ rights than China.
You have legal recourses available to ypu in the USA if your claim is true. There are none in China.
Healthcare is not free in China either. It's almost as if theyare really terrible at pursuing leftism.
China doesn't have millions dying each year from lack of access to healthcare, and every single person on Xiaohongshu is learning how shockingly bad it is here in the USA, while we are unlearning the Red Scare propaganda we've been fed. I suggest you join us.
They used to have shitty healthcare but the government put efforts to change that because they were embarrassed to be the second wealthiest nation and have such poor outcomes.
Regardless they are absolutely less free than the USA and are undisputedly worse on LGBT+ rights according to their legal codes. There's no propaganda here. The Chinese government does not grant equal rights.
The US also doesn't grant equal rights. We are literally a genocidal settler colonist state that supports genocidal regime and puts fascists in power, like what you talking about Willis lmao
And China's a genocidal imperialist totalitarian state if we apply the same standards.
The fact is legally speaking you currently are vastly less free in China. It's moronic to claim otherwise. This is easily proven by looking at your rights on speech for example.
China is less free than most countries. China has a state that forces inequality because at their core the Chinese Communist Party is hypocritical and seeks to oppress the masses
They arrest anyone in the US who protests against the actions of the state.
But I'll remember when I'm dying from lack of affordable food, housing, and healthcare, that at least I was able to share a few more of my hot takes online than other people.
Anyway, I'm not defending China. I hope you learn to get past the propaganda. It's quite liberating.
I have protested against the state nany times. I have directly stated to Governor Mitt Romney, who was in office at the time, that I hoped he was a single term governor. I haven't been arrested for that.
I have protested every military conflict the USA has been involved in since 1991 and Im not in jail.
Stating China is less free is a fact that's not propaganda.
Less free in this one aspect perhaps, more free in others. Not really "freedom" when we have so many houseless people, people senselessly perishing from lack of healthcare and food, etc.
Also, it sounds like you were protesting for change within the system. People have drastically different experiences when they protest the system itself. They may even be arrested or deported, which is something I've personally seen happen. Talk to the anti-genocide protestors on college campuses about this "freedom" of yours. Hell, there are even laws against boycotting a genocidal regime in an organized fashion.
Nope less free across the board. China is a repressive state when it comes to rights. This isn’t an opinion it is a fact. There are countries freer than the USA but the overwhelming majority of nations are freer than China.
Have you ever studied any political philosophy in a formal setting? Im suspecting you have not since you seem to not understand what constitutes “freedom” in this context.
In China you can’t suggest they stop having their current government. That’s a HUGE problem if you are trying to argue how free a society us as it means the masses have no say in their future.
This is useless propaganda. I'm familiar with all of these talking points. The metrics used to determine freedom and democracy are invalid tools of Western Imperialist nations to bolster the illusion that we have more freedom that others.
I'm being cautious not to defend either state, but you are treading pretty close to sounding like you're defending the US system, and I would like to remind you as one of the moderators here that defending inherently inequitable and oppressive systems such as capitalism, fascism, genocide, and imperialism are forbidden in this community.
Hey Link I think you're confused, this isnt LibertyHub.
I was confused 🤦♀️This is embarrassing
I usually try to avoid discourse on 196, and I need to adhere to that practice.
As an aside if your claims that "defending inherently inequitable and oppressive systems such as capitalism, fascism, genocide, and imperialism are forbidden in this community." doesn't seem to appear in the guidelines for what is not approved in that instance. If this is your actual policy you should include that information in your sidebar.
That was my bad, and I'm sorry. I thought we were speaking in a completely different community. If I had realized this was the now-defunct 196, I would have stopped talking a long time ago. My bad.
Are you talking world or oneninetysix which is also blåhaj? Blåhaj has no warning on this for the instance
No, I'm talking about the community I moderate on blahaj. It's explicitly for sharing from a leftist or post-leftist perspective, but the rules have to be strict because otherwise it gets overrun by people wanting to go off-topic.
In addition to this, this particular 196 community is now retired, making matters more confusing. I took a months-long break from Lemmy, and that's why I forgot to check the community name in my notifs.
Genuinely, in spite of our disagreements, I apologize. I never would have come on so strong if I didn't think this was Liberty Hub.
Gotcha, that would make sense.
I too took a break until recently.
I still think you need to take a minute to look into how much freer many nations are on a fundamental level than China. That’s not propaganda it’s factual. Not every nation or government values freedom equally.
I'm interested in ensuring everyone has equal access to food, shelter, and healthcare
And many nations do all of those things better than China while retaining greater individual freedoms. We don't have to become authoritarians to achieve this goal.
We're already living in a single-party state that enslaves and murders POC and indigenous people with impunity, and which bars anyone remotely leftist from residency and citizenship to maintain the status quo. Not sure how that's better, but go off
I don't know what country you live in but we clearly do not reside in the same nation or state of mind if you believe what you claim.
Regardless Im not here to defend America. China being substantially less free by every metric than many other nations is an easily verified fact.
Ypu don't have to be authoritarian to meet people's basic needs. China chooses authoritarianism because it benefits their investor class nit because it benefits the working class.
I don't understand why anyone claiming to support liberty or freedom would back China. That's like joining the Los Angeles County Sheriff's dept because you want to fight back against gangs.
China being less free *by every metric invented by econbros in Western Imperialist Nations
And I'm not supporting China. I'm simply saying we're in no position to be throwing stones.
No the metrics for freedom aren't invented by economists but are determined by political scientists. I think you're demonstrating a common failure in Leftists who are self educated in leftism in that ypu have reactionary responses to situations you aren't informed on.
What metric are you taking issue with? Self determination is always the biggest one and Chinese citizens do not have this. If the masses wanted to pursue Communism harder and Xi did not (and he does not) they don't have this option. Not being able to decide the direction of your nation is a significant sign of oppression.
You do not have equivalent rights under the law as gay people because you cannot marry and domestic partner rights are less than married. There is no path to LGB+ marriage. I'm just not as equal in China.
Do we need to address freedom of speech? You have more in most nations than in China.
Look at that 3 major freedoms none of which are economic and all of which China is just bad at. You started everything repeatedly suggesting I bought into propaganda and Im hoping you see how much propaganda you are accepting uncritically here.
Anyone: "Did you know in China they have this cool thing? Just an interesting cultural difference I thought I'd share. Making new friends and learning about the world on this app is so cool :)"
Someone inevitably: "So you know that as we speak Chinese citizens are being forced at gunpoint to do their hourly salute to the east in honour of Xi Jinping, right? 🙂 And also that they hate you? 🫣 Did you know what they hate you oh my god they hate you so much and are plotting this very moment to get a hold of your ebay browsing data (like all the other american tech corps but wtv 🙄) to undermine our righteous american way of life (which has its itty bitty teeeeeny tiny flaws 😬) but is clearly superior in all ways to China's constant brutal day to day moment by moment–"
I really hope you start to deconstruct the McCarthy inside of you. Best wishes to you.
Do you not see how much of a non-response you gave? It's a strawman. At no point have I made any untrue statements. Please try to demonstrate how not being able to decide the direction and philosophy of your government in any meaningful manner makes you free.
I hope you realize how illogical your arguments are here because you aren't making any coherent point other than demonstrating a lack of real education on these subjects.
Scariest stories. Try not to get Red Scared.
Are you capable of having an informed adult conversation? You seem to be struggling with your ability to respond intelligently. If you really think you have a valid point to make then do that. If you can only respond in pre-drafted talking points you picked up from the internet consider not replying and maybe read a book.
fir fucks sake you think economists are the ones making lusts of what constitutes freedom
This is a shitposting sub, and you are a tar pit
You didn't start off talking this way. You shifted to it when I challenged you in ways you normally aren't for example by pointing out the many ways in which China has abandoned leftist ideal by supporting an investor class and exploiting the working classes to enrich the elites. You don't have a built in reply because you're used to arguing talking points not having to actually think.
You seemed to actually be capable of thinking so it is sad that you made this choice.
Yeah I'm so owned right now
You're familiar with these claims but do ypu understand what they mean? I don't think ypu have a clue.
You can compare the rights people have. China is going to be near the bottom of any logical assessment of rights as Chinese people do not have the rightsto free speech, the right to free expression, the right to determine the direction of the Chinese state who h ultimately means there is no freedom.
Im not defending America. Im rejecting the objectively flawed claim that they are as free as other nations when they are not. You currently have greater rights in Norway than you do in China. Hopefully you can see the difference.
Finally if ypu cannot defend capitalism here why are you defending China a nation wth a stock market and investor class? What economic theory are they pursuing when for-profit banks are investing in foreign companies and not ceding control to the workers? China is a capitalist nation wearing the skin of a socialist nation much like America currently wears the skin of a capitalist democracy.
I'm sorry. I forgot how notifications work here, and I thought we were on liberty hub. The fact that we're in 196 explains why you're not grasping what I'm telling you lol. I try to avoid discourse here because I usually just get fabricated western propaganda shouted at me from inside parrot cages.