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US approves $7.4bn sale of more weapons to Israel used to ravage Gaza
(www.theguardian.com)
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B...b...but the Democrats are genociders so I didn't vote or voted 3rd party to help the Palestinians.
Did I help? Did I help them? Does this help them?
Who was president when Israel flattened Gaza? Who sent them the weapons to do it? Why do you excuse Biden and the Democrats role in the genocide just because Trump is worse?
The Harris campaign purposefully ignored anyone asking about Gaza.
I am increasingly disgusted by liberals. I am never voting Democrat again, it is past Biden or Harris being bad, it is the entire base that is genocidal except with polite rhetoric.
Who is president while Native Americans and Puerto Ricans are being arrested by ICE and threatened with deportation?
Who is president while America gives up on every single climate goal?
Who is president while Elon Musk's people have been given total access to U.S. finances without any sort of security clearances?
I could go on, but I won't, because you are acting like the election was some sort of referendum on Israel. And all I can say to that is that I hope you have the white privilege to not be affected by this at the level of anyone who's skin is a darker shade of peach and the cisgender, heterosexual privilege as well.
None of the votes during this past election would have helped Palestine. That’s the point. You gotta think long term. Dems and Reps suck.
Our two party, single vote system isn’t working for the people and they want you to believe it is. Control your politicians. Don’t let them control you.
For the US, sure.
Letting in the Tangerine Mussolini means there won’t be a Palestine by the end of his term.
With the Democrats under the control of the DNC neither. Remember how the US built an "aid pier" for hundreds of millions that never delivered aid, but instead a beachhead for an Israeli assault disguised as humanitarian aid?
Now with Trump people are forced to confront the empire and maybe resist it from within, which also helps those outside of it. In the same wake other countries like in Europe will have to confront the fact that the US was never their friend, but just gave more considerations to the appearance of mutual respect and sovereignity on the outside.
The US empire has made it clear under Biden already, that there will be no peace in the Middle East, as long as the empire can prevent it. The only route to peace is dismantling the empire and replacing it with a normal country.
While I don’t disagree, I feel like we need to talk more about how disconnected the Democratic Party is from what their base actually wants. Them being diet republicans ain’t cutting it
Democrats didn't push for that:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev
You ate Republican propoganda.
Push for what? I didn’t mention any specific policy point
You said Democrats are lite Republicans. This is false.
I gave an example, they reigned Israel, Trump is going to take over Gaza.
True. But at the same time you're not going to get any of that by not voting and letting Republicans get elected. I mean get you butts out there and primary these centrist lead weights.
This. Right. Here.
No they'd rather sit on the couch and complain that the dinosaurs are dinosauring and won't switch to communist revolution like they believe everyone wants, even though they've never left the couch.
If they actually went out and tried to become local politicians to effect change they would probably see that their ideals are far less popular in real life among normal people outside of the terminally online crowd.
Ah yes, the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" argument for electoralism. It doesn't matter who we vote for when they get laundered through the lobbying machine on the highest setting after or even before they get into office. Tell me, who is at the top of this list? https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?code=Q05&cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=M
I'm saying this as someone who has voted democrats straight down the ballot in every election I could. It doesn't work when money is more powerful than any vote.
Money is only this powerful because people didn't vote when it mattered to keep money out of politics.
Both democrats and republicans are in line with neoliberal thought about letting corporations get bigger and bigger and giving more freedom to capital than to people. A simple vote isn't going to change this. Let's pretend that democrats are opposed to money in politics, you'd have to vote them in every single time because there aren't singular times when it'd matter since the assault on democracy is ever-present. This is impossible under the two-party system. Things will go wrong and people will blame whoever is in power. Things are constantly getting worse which is why we're seeing this more frequent swapping of parties in power.
Per usual, another lie spread by leftists. https://www.vox.com/2019/3/8/18253609/hr-1-pelosi-house-democrats-anti-corruption-mcconnell
As to the rest of it, our current democracy needs many changes to protect it from becoming an autocracy/oligarchy. The ones ones who are committed to those changes are Democrats.
But seizing power as Trump is doing to dictatorially implement changes to prevent dictators would be highly hypocritical. And if the basis of such reforms were based on such a shakeable foundation it would just waiting for the next dictator to come in and do what they want. In that case, then yes, what you'd say is correct, every new elected official will just be a dictator pushing their new whims on the populace. This is why I don't fault Democrats for trying to do things the proper way democratically through our voting process even if it seems slow or inefficient.
Sadly half of Americans have decided having a dictator isn't a deal breaker or something to exercise their vote for so that's left us here.
From the article you posted (emphasis mine):
Democrats love to bring up impressive-sounding bills when they're confident they won't actually become law. It's part of the tag team play they do with republicans. I'm surprised people still fall for this shit. Please let me know when democrats pass bills like this during the times they have the power to actually bring it into law.
You call seizing power like trump hypocritical, but when you're faced with fascism, you have to fight back and I mean actually fight back, not sit around and wail about "muh institutions" because those institutions will crumble under force unless you actually protect them with your own force. Doing things "the proper way" is just another tactic to look like you're doing something while actually welcoming the fascists. It's a dog and pony show.
Gee, would have been nice to have democracy a few more years to maybe try and fix it.
Fix what exactly? It isn't that the democrats are a new party that suddenly popped into existence for the last election. They've been doing this shit forever.
... mmhmmm. I guess no democracy is better then. I'm convinced.
No, it isn't. But acting as if democrats were / are willing to change and listen to the people is extremely naive. That's the reason Bernie Sanders was never allowed to be a candidate despite being one of the most popular dems out there. There needs to be a third way / party that does better and claws out the democrats from ever being able to win.
They do hold primaries, ya know.
They let non-party-favored candidates run in the primaries just like how this kid is allowed to mow the law
So, we can't change that?
Not through the party-controlled process.
We are are walking on the same side of the street now. Please, flesh out your position because it's not clear what you intend.
What does he need to "flesh out"? The dems won't let anyone in outside of the "establishment". It needs to be entirely torn down to actually listen to people voting for em
There are new democrats all the time. The old guard can't live forever.
The old guard has lived for hundreds of years. It's naive to think someone new will come along as if the old guard isn't the ones keeping all the keys to the castle. Especially with the US and the literal politician dynasties like Kennedys, Clintons, Bushes and others.
You can visually see the old guard dying in real time.
Before the 1950s the DNC was the party for racism, after LBJ signed the civil rights act they slowly became the party of civil rights and equity.
You can literally see the evolution of political parties even when looking at individuals: In the 1970s Biden fought forced desegregation of schools, in 1995 Biden helped write laws that gave a huge sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine (which had some racist enforcement repercussions), in 2009 he became the Vice President for the first Black POTUS, in 2011 he went in front of Congress and begged them not to renew that 95 crime bill because of the disparity, and now in 2025 he's being treated as the icon for federal DEI hiring practices.
June 29, 2024 US has sent Israel thousands of 2,000-pound bombs since Oct. 7
Biden only stopped sending them after there was nothing left to destroy in Gaza.
Dude, I’m not defending Biden in any sense whatsoever.
There was one shot at helping the people of Palestine, that was the Democrats.
They refused to listen to voters and instead took in billions of lobbying from Zionists.
The only blame lies solely on Kamala and her greed. Imagine thinking stopping Trump was less important than making money.
I wonder if you will keep rehashing the election even as people are being loaded into boxcars?
"I told you trans people to vote third party, but you had to vote for Kamala, didn't you? Bye-bye!"
It certainly seems that way on .world lately.
I knew what the comments were going to be in this thread before I even opened it.
They think there will be another legitimate election and I don't know why they think that in the face of the mountain of evidence that America is now a fascist one-party state with that party being above the law.
Yeah, you probably saw the article yesterday about the head of the FEC. They tried to fire her and of course Musk is trying to get into all of those systems.
The only way the US is going to ever have fair elections again is after a lot of bloodshed. And possibly restructuring as a new nation.
Federal IT is basically fucked. The whole system would need to be replaced to get rid of all of the back doors Musk is installing.
Elections are over. Gtfo or figure out how to stay safe if you have to (I'm in the later camp, can't afford to move and hard to get a passport anyway being trans)
I'm so sorry. I was able to get out with my daughter, who is gay, for that reason. I really hope you can be safe. I really worry about you and all of the other queer people in America and I wish I could do something.
The US is over. I hope my state and those near us have the balls to secede and form Cascadia. I'd volunteer to fight if needed.