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[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No one in Canada is asking to be your number one priority.

We just want you to get angry and do something about all of the problems being brought about the fascist dictator your country elected, instead of sitting around and wringing your hands about it.

If you guys can reign in Trump then Canada will be fine. But if you don't then we're all fucked, north and south of the border.

The difference is, you're the ones in a position to stop him. We're not.

This.
I'm not mad about USAmericans not standing up for Canada specifically.
I'm fucking mad at them for not standing up against literally anything else.
That they don't care to defend Canada is whatever, but they don't even care enough to defend themselves.

Forget about Canada, just stand up for your own fucking selves and we'll be fine.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's unfortunately by design. The country is way too big for itself. The oligarchs want to keep everyone fighting for their own survival so they can't fight back. They are more scared of unity than Nazis. The government also has access to the world's largest military and is eager to sic them on their own civilians. Canadians and Americans are both equally afraid of our military, just look at our cops. Not to mention every time we go out we have to worry about getting randomly shot by a disgruntled 14 year old at Walmart.

There's a large underground resistance, but there's only so much we can do. The US is a failed nation

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

There's a large underground resistance, but there's only so much we can do.

It needs to get larger and push harder.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Basically the only realistic thing an individual could do that would have any effect would absolutely be violence.

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

It's a lot easier when there's nothing to be done, isn't it? There's no responsibility anymore. No call to action. Despair is simple. It doesn't require you to do anything, it only requires that you feel bad.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago

What as a normal person is there to be done? I shall vote for local people who will resist Trump. I shall vote against Trump and if I'm not allowed to vote I'll fight.

[-] villasv@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What as a normal person is there to be done?

Great question. Step one is educating yourself on how to answer this question yourself, but better ask this of you local groups, I’m not from Seattle so can’t help you figure this out. But the short answer is to organize.

Democracy doesn’t happen only on Election Day.

[-] Perhapsjustsniffit@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Any small resistance is resistance.

Stop supporting mega corps and billionaires by quitting x, Amazon, Facebook,insta, snap, Google, Netflix, Disney, Hulu, Microsoft, apple, phone, broadcasting companies, Hollywood studios completely. Stop feeding the machine. If we can you can too and quit the "but my business" or "but my friends list". It's easy to do nothing and make so many excuses.

Join a local organization that helps your fellow man. Learn about people who are different than you, support them, eat with them, talk to them. Get the fuck off your couch and from behind the screen.

Promote resistance marches/public strikes and take time off work even if it hurts you to protest openly and loudly. Resistance isn't cheap or easy. It's going to hurt you and your family personally and until it does you aren't doing shit.

Stop saying I can't, it's not possible, no one cares. It takes an individual to be outside the norm and start a movement. To stand up and put themselves on the line for what they believe. If you aren't willing to do this then you are one of them regardless of your words. Actions matter more than your blustery bullshit.

Support organizations that are rallying to fight or organize. Offer your skills and support no matter how maxi or mini they may be. Quit saying I can't and start doing.

Organize and join resistance orgs and pages online in places that lots of Americans gather. Be active in these groups. They will help you see what you can and can't do.

Join a union or strike with one. Walk the picket line. Meet resistance fighters in their own environment.

Encourage everyone you know to do these things as well. Drag your friend kicking and screaming. Enforce to them how important it is. They still won't go...go and make new friends. Encourage your old friends to join you. If they don't they don't deserve you.

Don't have friends...join a resistance movement. Common goals unite people and develop strong bonds.

And for fuck sakes stop asking the world what you should do and start doing it. There are suggestions, lists, organizations, online groups and so much more that can educate you on how to resist. Attacking individuals online because you are unwilling to educate yourself or resist even for your own benefit is pointless and just encourages us outside the US to lump you in with your administration. You will not get assistance or open dialog from anyone other than your echo chamber.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago

You cant name one godamn thing that matters and you are completely weaseling out

[-] villasv@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You didn’t ask “what matters”, but “what to do”. I can tell you the things I do, but they’re all groups in my city so unless you move here it doesn’t help much. But you can look for the equivalents where you live: strong towns, vision zero, proportional representation, antifascism, buying local, defense of the public library, volunteer with a local party… the list of options on how to get organized and on what specific areas is endless.

Pick any of the things you already told that matters to you and go work on it. Not even talking about Canada anymore, you’re the one using learned helplessness to weasel out of putting in the work. Go on about not having the time to act on these things, after telling us that you care about them so much.

[-] Someone@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

As the article pointed out, your fellow countrymen were willing to exercise their 2nd amendment rights on beer because a trans person drank some. I'd argue this could be considered a slightly more consequential issue.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I'm not paying any money to fucks that bend over for Trump either. Buying and shooting the stuff I oppose is less effective than not buying it.

[-] madame_gaymes@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago

I find it hilarious that you and I are being downvoted for being angry and wanting to do something more than just sit back by people in the comments that are saying, "we wish you americans would do something."

Keep withholding your cash, fellow prole. We can only force our cowardly brethrens' noses into their own shit and hope they get angry too. The only way for this to be non-violent is to completely withdraw ourselves from the system in all aspects and en masse. Take away their real power.

[-] Devanismyname@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Which might be what he wants. To declare a national emergency so he can send in the national guard on you guys.

[-] madame_gaymes@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The problem is, it will require violence and loss of life from the proletariat to make a change at this point. Even the ones that are complaining are not willing to stand up for themselves, let alone anyone else.

I'm fighting on a digital front with my networking and development skills in various ways, and with my wallet and choices in other ways. However, I am beyond ready and itching to get down and dirty with these motherfuckers and start throwing punches. Every one around me just cowers into a, "well, it's not really so bad yet, I just want to keep buying my [insert big company name product here]." They've lost the human ability to adapt and overcome. It's fucking sad and depressing. I've tried so hard to light a fire under my "left-wing" friends that seemingly share in my misery, and I am always met with excuses.

When I make it to the front lines, I fear I will be alone.

[-] Who_Wants_To_No@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I am generally opposed to violence, but I don't know that I disagree with you. The thing is that violence doesn't offer any simple answers either. Modern surveillance and military technology make a traditional stand-up fight suicidal. Large organizations are highly vulnerable to information leaks and infiltration. Small, loosely connected groups and individuals are most likely to survive and be effective. It's going to be a lot more complicated than picking up a rifle and marching off to the front line.

What comes next will also depend on a lot of factors that are current unknowable. The courts are pushing back, but it isn't clear how effective that will be. Congress could change things, but is not likely to do so unless we can motivate them. And will the military support an openly illegal fascist government, avoid getting involved, or oppose it?

I think it's worth peacefully protesting in every way possible, especially economically, but that is going to require real sacrifices too. Many of us, including me, are used to a certain level of comfort and convenience in our lives. Dramatic gestures are sometimes easier than the daily hassle of not ordering from Amazon, not communicating via Facebook and Reddit, and recofiguring our phones and computers to avoid using Google services.

[-] madame_gaymes@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

not ordering from Amazon, not communicating via Facebook and Reddit, and recofiguring our phones and computers to avoid using Google services.

This is what really sucks ass for me. I said fuck convenience 10 years ago and I stripped my life of all of these kinds of things, with the exception of Reddit until the past couple years. These things are the NUMBER ONE thing we as the proletariat can do to kick the fat cysts in the balls, and no one is willing to even entertain it. IMO, it's the only way this can be non-violent and also super effective. We have to take away their real power.

Otherwise, agreed. We can't just take a rifle and run up to official buildings. My comment about being alone on the front lines was more so a metaphor, not intended to be literal. I meant that I am alone in the fight that I've been fighting for the past 10 years, which is giving up convenience, returning to my human roots of "adapt and overcome", and taking away power from the rich. However, no one wants to follow, and I am alone. I know there are others out there that have taken the same extreme measures I have, but they are few and far between. None of my closest friends or family are willing to give up Dunkin Donuts and WalMart, and I fucking hate it. Since no one is giving up this stuff, I feel like violence from the few that are willing is the only way to light a fire (see Luigi).

ETA: Congress won't do a damn thing, look at how much money Pelosi makes off insider trading. The military is 50/50 people that oppose and people that bootlick, so it's going to be all of the above I'm afraid.

[-] Who_Wants_To_No@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I sympathize. I'm far behind you in deciding these things need to be done, but I have finally gotten there. I think we will have more company soon.

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