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[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago

I work in Seattle and live near it.

Our EC votes here in WA went for the Harris. I told everyone who would listen offline and online in this state and in other states why we shouldn't vote for Trump.

I am working or commuting to work 60 hours a week and we are losing our health insurance. I'm already scrambling. If I showed up in a city which 60%+ of the pop agrees with me and held a sign for a few hours it wouldn't change a goddamn thing except get some honks and nods for sympathetic folks who also feel this way.

More than the probably unactionable threat of invading Canada I'm worried about the following in no particular order of importance.

  • Not being able to get meds for my sick wife

  • Health care collapsing in America

  • Our economy collapsing

  • A trade war with our neighbors and allies you know folks like Canada

  • People going hungry here

  • People dying of hunger overseas without the aid we used to provide

  • Vaccination and public health collapsing followed by potentially worse threats than covid like a deadly flu pandemic if the bird flu adapts to us well enough to explode without adapting enough to avoid massive fatalities. Note there is no reason to believe this would leave other countries unscathed

  • Ukraine being ground under Putin's toes because they won't give it and allies like us abandon them with millions dying and tens of millions living under occupation

  • Almost 2M of which half are children in Gaza being murdered in the course of driving them from their homes

  • Trump allowing Putin's aggression to get way out of hand and then trying to play savior thus kick starting WW3

  • A nuclear apocalypse

  • Climate change being impossible to reverse because we are so far behind that it doesn't matter what we do if we decide to make changes 20 years from now instead of today. Also factors that seem to suggest this may get much worse much faster than earlier thought like the amount of CO2 sequestered dropping off or the Clathrate gun hypothesis

  • Mirror life being way to attractive to stupid people as bio weapons to stupid people despite a host of scientists coming out against even peaceful research in that direction

  • Taiwan going to war with China and chip production dealing a further blow to the economy since it will take literal years for us to replace Taiwan for complex chips

  • Not being able to vote Trump out of power in 2026 2028 because they don't let us

  • Trump rounding up millions of people into migrant camps but not being able to deport them very quickly leading to multi year detention of immigrants in hostile concentration camps that ultimately become death camps

Literally every issue here is more likely than us invading Canada. It's not that I don't care about Canada. It's not that I don't emphatically disagree with Canada's treatment. I just can't do a goddamn thing.

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No one in Canada is asking to be your number one priority.

We just want you to get angry and do something about all of the problems being brought about the fascist dictator your country elected, instead of sitting around and wringing your hands about it.

If you guys can reign in Trump then Canada will be fine. But if you don't then we're all fucked, north and south of the border.

The difference is, you're the ones in a position to stop him. We're not.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Basically the only realistic thing an individual could do that would have any effect would absolutely be violence.

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

It's a lot easier when there's nothing to be done, isn't it? There's no responsibility anymore. No call to action. Despair is simple. It doesn't require you to do anything, it only requires that you feel bad.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago

What as a normal person is there to be done? I shall vote for local people who will resist Trump. I shall vote against Trump and if I'm not allowed to vote I'll fight.

[-] villasv@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What as a normal person is there to be done?

Great question. Step one is educating yourself on how to answer this question yourself, but better ask this of you local groups, I’m not from Seattle so can’t help you figure this out. But the short answer is to organize.

Democracy doesn’t happen only on Election Day.

[-] Perhapsjustsniffit@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Any small resistance is resistance.

Stop supporting mega corps and billionaires by quitting x, Amazon, Facebook,insta, snap, Google, Netflix, Disney, Hulu, Microsoft, apple, phone, broadcasting companies, Hollywood studios completely. Stop feeding the machine. If we can you can too and quit the "but my business" or "but my friends list". It's easy to do nothing and make so many excuses.

Join a local organization that helps your fellow man. Learn about people who are different than you, support them, eat with them, talk to them. Get the fuck off your couch and from behind the screen.

Promote resistance marches/public strikes and take time off work even if it hurts you to protest openly and loudly. Resistance isn't cheap or easy. It's going to hurt you and your family personally and until it does you aren't doing shit.

Stop saying I can't, it's not possible, no one cares. It takes an individual to be outside the norm and start a movement. To stand up and put themselves on the line for what they believe. If you aren't willing to do this then you are one of them regardless of your words. Actions matter more than your blustery bullshit.

Support organizations that are rallying to fight or organize. Offer your skills and support no matter how maxi or mini they may be. Quit saying I can't and start doing.

Organize and join resistance orgs and pages online in places that lots of Americans gather. Be active in these groups. They will help you see what you can and can't do.

Join a union or strike with one. Walk the picket line. Meet resistance fighters in their own environment.

Encourage everyone you know to do these things as well. Drag your friend kicking and screaming. Enforce to them how important it is. They still won't go...go and make new friends. Encourage your old friends to join you. If they don't they don't deserve you.

Don't have friends...join a resistance movement. Common goals unite people and develop strong bonds.

And for fuck sakes stop asking the world what you should do and start doing it. There are suggestions, lists, organizations, online groups and so much more that can educate you on how to resist. Attacking individuals online because you are unwilling to educate yourself or resist even for your own benefit is pointless and just encourages us outside the US to lump you in with your administration. You will not get assistance or open dialog from anyone other than your echo chamber.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago

You cant name one godamn thing that matters and you are completely weaseling out

[-] villasv@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You didn’t ask “what matters”, but “what to do”. I can tell you the things I do, but they’re all groups in my city so unless you move here it doesn’t help much. But you can look for the equivalents where you live: strong towns, vision zero, proportional representation, antifascism, buying local, defense of the public library, volunteer with a local party… the list of options on how to get organized and on what specific areas is endless.

Pick any of the things you already told that matters to you and go work on it. Not even talking about Canada anymore, you’re the one using learned helplessness to weasel out of putting in the work. Go on about not having the time to act on these things, after telling us that you care about them so much.

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