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this post was submitted on 18 Aug 2023
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Mods we got holocaust denial over here!
It's technically not holocaust denial, they got their ethnic cleansing death toll pretty reasonable. Double genocide works by dragging down the Holocaust and dragging up the USSR's deaths, they're only doing the latter. Obviously none of us agree with their take on the USSR's situatuon but I wanna give them a minute to say their piece so we can talk about it
"Holocaust trivialization" is a term I learned today after researching what the double genocide theory is, that I think applies here.
How exactly did I trivialize the Holocaust here? It’s not okay in any way to deliberately kill 12 million people.
By highly exaggerating or completely fabricating a whole bunch of numbers, you assert that the Soviets killed 100 million people, and thus you are trivializing the 12 million killed by the Nazis. As others have already explained to you, the "communism killed 100 million" figure has been widely debunked by actual historians, and the deaths that the Soviet Union really were responsible for were caused by famines and mismanagement, and not deliberate attempts at genocide. Arguing "the Soviets were worse, actually" trivializes the deliberate genocide conducted by the Nazi regime, and overlooks the fact that no credible evidence has ever been presented to demonstrate genocidal intent by the Soviets.
I've spoken with that user before and they're a piece of shit, but you can do as you please
They're unironically an objectivist
lmao looked at their post history and they literally cite Ayn Rand
jk they all got run out of their own town by bears lmao
We already know and it was bears that took them down.
How am I a piece of shit?
I think my fellows covered that well enough. Is there an ambiguity somewhere?
Genocide and ethnic cleansing are not interchangeable. Genocide is destruction of a group of people, ethnic cleansing is physical expulsion or exclusion of a group of people from an area.
Trying to downplay genocide as ethnic cleansing is arguably a type of Holocaust denial, but most people don't understand the nuances.
I’m sorry I didn’t understand those terms clearly.
I was trying to emphasize that the Nazis’ categorical decisions were based on race, sexuality, and political affiliation.
The Soviets’ selection process was mainly based on politics and economic class.