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[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 115 points 4 months ago

I voted for Kamala. My parents and grandparents did as well. I do not feel that the democrats were/are doing jack shit to court new voters. The party itself expects to just be the status quo and have people vote for it. Whether people want to admit it or not, the point of being a progressive party is to be... how do I put this... PROGRESSIVE.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

Oh yeah, make no mistake, the Dems are fucked.

It's just that in '24 we had an option between "continue having a flawed democracy" and "put a literal fascist in power", and a lot of us are still sore over folks who insisted that choosing the latter was some form of leftism. They weren't a major force in the general electorate, but here on Lemmy, they were certainly loud, so a lot of bad feeling remains.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The only argument for voting trump while thinking “left” that I can think of, is that all that anger and chaos leads to a big reform of the political landscape where there is a way for a more social system in the end

But I’d consider that an extremely risky move..

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 4 months ago

That's literally the accelerationist/anti-electoralist religious doctrine. And I say "religious doctrine" because they keep insisting that people will rise up if they assist in the sacrifice of enough LGBTQ+, POC, and other vulnerable people, despite there being absolutely no evidence in history of that ever occurring, even under brutal totalitarian dynasties that lasted hundreds of years.

[-] tomenzgg@midwest.social 3 points 4 months ago

But I’d consider that an extremely risky move..

So we all get to discover in real time!

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

True that 😂

[-] nomugisan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago

You clearly don't understand leftist thought. Voting for a cop, a warmonger and a complicit child-kidnapper is incompatible with many leftists' beliefs and values. Continued aversion to actually listening to criticisms of the Dems and DNC from the left is why your beloved party is crashing and burning.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

You clearly don’t understand leftist thought.

No, I absolutely do. They preferred the fascist to working with the dreaded 'shitlibs', just like Thalmann.

Nazi punks fuck off.

[-] nomugisan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

Call me a Nazi all you like, it doesn't make me a Nazi. In fact, you moralists should take that log out of your eye and actually look at the world your status-quoism has generated

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Hey, cool, you have ADHD too? We can go to RFK's concentration camps together. I'm sure our Healing Through Labor(tm) will be successful.

[-] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ooooh! Count me in as a qualifying candidate. I’ll drop my Vyvanse off in the bins outside the gates and partake in the Healing Through Labor™ right beside you, my Brother In- wait… what was I just saying?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Can't believe our only hope for mitigation of the damage is that the administration is so incompetent that they trick over their own dicks in the process of trying all of their horrors.

It's not going to be pretty either way.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Call me a Nazi all you like, it doesn’t make me a Nazi.

No? You just welcomed in fascism because it pleased your prejudices and preconceptions. Sounds pretty indistinguishable from most Nazis to me.

In fact, you moralists should take that log out of your eye and actually look at the world your status-quoism has generated

"Wow, the world is bad. We should make it worse."

Brilliant plan. Millions of LGBT Americans and tens of millions of Ukrainians thank you for your ardent support of fascists taking power. I'm sure those dying for lack of supplies from USAID are thrilled as well, as well as poor Americans who can't afford the massive increases in costs of living and are already living paycheck-to-paycheck, and the crackdown on unions.

What a brave leftist world you've helped create. Maybe if you lick fascist boots a little more, it'll become even better.

I also find it amusing that I'm getting called a 'moralist' because I advocated the utilitarian option. What fucking insanity.

[-] nomugisan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Millions of LGBT Americans

You're talking to one, and no, the Democrats have backstabbed us at every opportunity. Especially at trans issues, which they love to capitulate on as a bargaining chip for getting their capitalist donors more money.

Maybe if you lick fascist boots a little more, it’ll become even better.

If you walk outside and throw a brick in the face of a cop, you can talk to me about what it means to be a bootlicker.

I also find it amusing that I’m getting called a ‘moralist’ because I advocated the utilitarian option.

You advocate for action based upon a spook? Sorry, that makes you a moralist. You decided that "maximizing utility" was the moral choice, and that again makes you a moralist. Perhaps you should write a sternly worded lever-pulling manifesto to send to your congressman?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You’re talking to one, and no, the Democrats have backstabbed us at every opportunity. Especially at trans issues, which they love to capitulate on as a bargaining chip for getting their capitalist donors more money.

Would you like to remind me about the state of LGBT rights in this country in 2024 compared to 1990?

Soaking in fascist circles seems to sap your connection to reality.

If you walk outside and throw a brick in the face of a cop, you can talk to me about what it means to be a bootlicker.

lmao, you ushered in fascism, bro, and you're sitting here justifying it besides. Saying "You aren't attacking enough cops!" to others isn't going to cure you of your bootlicking position.

You advocate for action based upon a spook?

Jesus fucking Christ.

Sorry, that makes you a moralist. You decided that “maximizing utility” was the moral choice, and that again makes you a moralist.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago

Very, very well put. I voted for Kamala as well, and this is what I'm trying to scream from the rooftops. The democrats seem to see the current populist moment as an excuse to phone it in. It keeps blowing up in the face, and they keep saying "oh well, I guess we need to move right / let the voters learn their lesson"

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

The party itself expects to just be the status quo and have people vote for it.

When the alternative was Trump and Project 2025, that's exactly what most should have voted for.

But stopping DEI was more important than Social Security for the majority of voters

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 12 points 4 months ago

Peope can't afford their bills and the Democrats were out there saying the economy is stronger than ever. They had no intention of helping people and you are shocked that people didn't go out to vote. If it's damned if you do, damned if you don't, most people will chose the latter

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

It was stronger than under Trump. Everyone forgot they had to fight for toilet paper under Trump.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 2 points 4 months ago

Only an absolute moron would believe that the economy was better in 2024 than in 2019 for your average person. You can't blame the poor economy on Biden, but you can absolutely blame the DNC for not spputing off reforms to help people.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

You are one of those who forgot how bad it was. So many millions were in danger of eviction that moratoriums had to be passed.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Exactly. Moratoriums were passed. Absolutely nothing was done the past 2 years as prices for everything skyrocketed. People remember that sort of thing. Literally the forst thing Biden did was break his promise and give out stimulus checks that were nowhere near what he campaigned on.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

He was able to bring inflation down, but the impacts were felt far and wide. As for stimulus checks those were written and voted on by Congress. Congress was Republican during Bidens presidency. He did sign executive orders to speed up the dispersal and to expand SNAP to try to help families. But if the people who fund the stimulus check (Congress) don't fund it, there is nothing to give out.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

The economy recovered such that people were able to pay their rent despite the increases. Moratoriums ended yet mass evictions didn't happen. People were doing far better than under Trump.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

They should at least have voted third party.. I think many people should have voted third party.. Why do so few people vote third party?

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

If they are too apathetic to vote for dems, they certainly won't go out of their way to make a statement and vote third party.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Which kinda defeats the purpose of a vote in my opinion 😅

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

I could be wrong about this: But I increasingly feel that the major issue for most of these people was economic instability - not making enough to make ends meet. But, out of a feeling of humiliation around saying “im poor” the message instead targets points of blame; either to potentially spare more dollars for themselves, or just genuinely to lash out at a world that’s succeeding without them.

Doesn’t make the approach of their message in any way valid or okay. I’m just explaining that they needed an answer to their struggles. Trump gave them an elaborate lie about it, which to them was better than nothing.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

The democrats are a liberal party which is why they got almost 49% of the vote instead of under 1%.

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