950
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 months ago

Hypothetically, would literal tree-hugging (i.e. chaining myself to a tree) be an effective method of protest and prevention? Would the loggers cut me down anyways? Just a random thought.

[-] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 2 months ago

You're gonna get labeled a terrorist and probably shot

The way to go is in the monkey wrenching book (forgot the full name:

You take steel bars, and cut them to size

Then you remove a piece of bark

Drill a hole into the tree

Put the steel rod in

Glue the bark back on

Do it at eye level-ish, that way you're not hurting the worker with a snapping chain, instead damaging the lumber mill. Bigger damage anyways

[-] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago
[-] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

"Ecodefense: A Field Guide to Monkeywrenching" was the name

[-] pyr0ball@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

What do we use when they start checking the trees with metal detectors?

I don't think cinder blocks would work as well

[-] 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

If anything that’s time wasted having to check every tree. Makes their big tree harvesters slow way down

[-] KittyCat@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Iron bars are the old fashioned way, the modern method is a granite or concrete rod, not quite as good as iron but it'll still fuck up a saw good

[-] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago

That's actually addressed in the book as well, you can get hardened ceramic rods that work even better, they're just a bit more expensive

[-] void_turtle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 months ago

Depends on what you mean by "effective." It might delay them for a few hours or a day. There's a long history of this kind of thing, although it's usually more effective to do a treesit rather than a lockdown for trees. You could do a lockdown on equipment like bulldozers/feller bunchers though. The Earth First! Direct Action Manual has a lot of info.

Be prepared to be literally tortured in various ways, including pepperspray placed directly in your eyes, pain compliance holds, or they just cut the chains/lockbox you're in and if you get cut with it too bad.

Personally I'm not a big fan of get-arrested-on-purpose types of direct action, but it has its uses. I strongly recommend that if you're going to do something like this you connect with a group that knows how to do it and you have a support crew, including jail/legal support.

[-] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago

what a fascinating read!

[-] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Is there a such thing as pepper spray resistant eyewear?

[-] void_turtle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sure, lab safety goggles will protect you from pepper spray in most instances. But what eye protection you're wearing won't matter. You're chained to a tree. The cops can do literally anything they want to you, including ripping your safety glasses off and emptying a can of pepper spray directly in your eyes. See: the infamous case of the Pepper Spray 8

Deputies pepper sprayed Mike McCurdy (above) and Noel Tendick directly in the eyes at close range while they were locked together through the tracks of a Pacific Lumber bulldozer on an old-growth redwood logging site. The activists endured the torture and did not unlock. Deputies then safely cut them loose with a portable grinder, as they could have done without using pepper spray, and as they had done hundreds of times in previous years.

[-] untorquer@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

There are groups already doing the work. Look them up!

For example, BARK Out! Is active around Mt Hood in Oregon.

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 8 points 2 months ago

Trees have been saved by people camping in them.

[-] punksnotdead@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 months ago

That relies on the loggers fearing a murder charge. In Trump's America, would a logger be charged with murder for "accidentally" killing a tree hugging protestor?

[-] void_turtle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 months ago

Treesitters have been killed by loggers before and didn't face murder charges iirc. They are probably more worried about wrongful death suits.

[-] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 4 points 2 months ago

Sure would be a shame if the equipment kept experiencing catastrophic failure.

[-] untorquer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

They were defending themselves against domestic terrorists /s (but actually just cynicism)

[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

maybe flying too close to the sun here but don't sacrifice yourself for your beliefs in a way that won't make effective change.

there are other, more valuable targets if you're willing to spend your life on a cause.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Just spike the trees.

this post was submitted on 08 Apr 2025
950 points (99.4% liked)

Biodiversity

2132 readers
53 users here now

Welcome to c/Biodiversity @ Mander.xyz!

A community about the variety of life on Earth at all levels; including plants, animals, bacteria, and fungi.



Notice Board

This is a work in progress, please don't mind the mess.

2023-06-16: We invite our users to contribute resources for the sidebar.

2023-06-15: Looking for mods!



About

Biodiversity is a term used to describe the enormous variety of life on Earth. It can be used more specifically to refer to all of the species in one region or ecosystem. Biodiversity refers to every living thing, including plants, bacteria, animals, and humans. Scientists have estimated that there are around 8.7 million species of plants and animals in existence. However, only around 1.2 million species have been identified and described so far, most of which are insects. This means that millions of other organisms remain a complete mystery.

Over generations, all of the species that are currently alive today have evolved unique traits that make them distinct from other species. These differences are what scientists use to tell one species from another. Organisms that have evolved to be so different from one another that they can no longer reproduce with each other are considered different species. All organisms that can reproduce with each other fall into one species. Read more...

Rules

  1. Don't throw mud. Be kind and remember the human.
  2. Keep it rooted (on topic).
  3. No spam.


Quick Links

Resources



Bypass Paywalls



Similar Communities


Sister Communities

Science and Research

Biology and Life Sciences

Plants & Gardening

Physical Sciences

Humanities and Social Sciences

Memes



Find us on Reddit!

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS