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Trump Suggests Tax Cuts for People Earning Less Than $200,000
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This is not the first time he has said this. He was saying this since before he was elected if I recall correctly.
His plan is not getting rid of taxes. His plan is shifting taxes from income tax to sales taxes (tariffs). His plan is to further shift the tax burden onto working people. Corporation owners will offload their tax burden by including the cost of the sales taxes into the cost of the product. It will be even more difficult to tax capitalists.
This could lead to complete government collapse.
Income tax is not a bad thing. You should be getting services in return for the taxes that you pay.
if the government is in control of the magic money printer then idk i would argue that yes not only are income taxes unnecessary and bad but also the only real point they end up serving is as pointless shit for people to argue over. It's the Republican version of the Democrats holding the save abortion football like we're Charlie brown. Oh, better vote for us, we'll lower your tax burden, and if we don't well The Democrat Party (tm) will definitely raise them!
also maybe it's from a fever dream but i'm pretty sure i read a pretty convincing thing about how money taxes really originated to begin with to integrate soldiers into the economy i.e. if you pay your soldiers money, that's worthless if nobody needs money, but if you charge a tax in money- woah, all of a sudden people start wanting to feed and shelter your soldiers
so in summary, i don't like paying taxes
A heavy progressive tax is explicitly one of the things that Marx calls for in the Communist Manifesto as a prerequisite for the conditions needed for developing a Communist revolution. Countries which are run by Communist parties have income tax. What you are saying is historically incorrect and nonsensical.
Trump is also not calling for the end of taxation of working people. Read the article. Read the article. He says that he wants to shift the tax burden. He wants to tax the working class for things that they buy. Working class people will be paying more taxes overall. He believes in some absurd concept called the External Revenue Service where he believes that he can tax labor outside of the US.
I do not believe paying income tax to the US federal government will create the conditions for communism
I did not say that income tax in the US will lead to communism.
Both posts by Wizard say that income tax of laborers is never justifiable. "no amount of hand waving about how the government needs to take workers at the point of labor will make it true".
I mention Marx talking about progressive income tax, as an example of how income tax is not only justified by Communist Theorists but also beneficial to the working class.
A progressive tax is a tax where wealthier people pay a higher percentage of taxes than poorer people. A regressive tax is a tax where wealthier people pay a lower percentage of taxes than poorer people. Income tax in the US is a progressive tax. Relying on tariffs to fund the government would be a regressive tax. Trump wants to replace a progressive tax with a regressive tax.
A progressive tax is good because it makes it harder for capitalists to accumulate wealth. Trump wants to eliminate income tax because it is a progressive tax and he is a capitalist.
The trickery of Trump in this situtation is not that "he doesn't want to eliminate income tax". The trickery is that he is saying he only wants to eliminate income tax for people earning less than $200k, but in reality, he wants to eliminate all income tax, including for people making over $200k. Then he wants to replace income tax with a new tax (tariffs) which taxes working people at a higher percentage than capitalists.
In Finland the bourge is doing exactly this by raising the VAT, creating all sorts of new regressive taxes (like a sweet tax) and disguising it as "taking care of the national debt" which for some reason still is able to fly as an argument for the libs.
They are currently also trying really hard to dismantle the last parts of our very high progressive income taxation which I would argue is the last thing standing behind the remaining relative equality here. A tax cut that only benefits very high earners was just announced, along with further easing on taxes for capital.
Income equality has been quickly eroding here since the early 90s (income inequality rose in Finland faster than in any other OECD country during the late 90s to early 00s) and one key development behind this was a tax reform. Capital income tax was decided to no longer be progressive and this along with austerity measures and capital accumulation is the nail in the coffin for the welfare state. The same reform was done in Sweden and Norway around the same time.
no you see actually income tax is a fundamental pillar of society and is actually necessary for communism, marx said so
motherfucker don't tell me to read a fucking article when I said what I said, I didn't say shit because trump said this or that or waht the fuck ever
I don't care what Marx said either
"it's nonsensical" do you think "income tax" was a think for all of history? lick my whatevr and leave me alone, nerd
"Marx was a dipshit" is quite an interesting take on an ML social media site.
i didn't say "marx was a dipshit" tho thx
Correct. You literally said "I don't care what Marx said" then made a vulgar sexual comment.
I don't know why you are so angry about paying taxes, but it makes you sound like a white man in Oakley's driving a pickup ranting on Facebook. The disregard, the straight up hostility, to theory makes the chuddery even more apparent.
angry about shit like this
eat me
This oral fixation is psychologically fascinating.
It's fine to disengage but pump the brakes, comrade
hell yeah
This is just not true. A government that employs 20% of the nation's labor is taxing 20% of the nation's economic potential. No amount of financial hand waving about money printing vs income taxes vs sales taxes will change this at all. You're paying for the government no matter what.
and no amount of hand waving about how the government needs to take workers at the point of labor will make it true
So, basically your claim is simply that it is better to take worker's money at the point of consumption?
I never said they need to take it at the point of labor. But they are taking it and thats unavoidable unless you get rid of the government.
Under the view you're expressing, taxes are necessary for a number of reasons, the two most primary being 1) giving a value to the currency in the first place, and 2) controlling inflation.
That sounds like David Graeber Debt: the First 5000 Years.
im pretty sure it was a david graeber thing but i'm not sure if it's from that bc im aggressively illiterate
Graeber definitely references it, but the theory is older than him. I read the article he referenced in Debt.