On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR "apology" (ironic)
"Oh, this is calamity! Calamity! Oh no, he's on the floor!"
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The topic of trans women in sports is a complex one and not black and white.
If Usain Bolt identified as a women and underwent the required procedures (not sure what that would be if any) Should he be allowed to compete in women's sports?
Do you care more that a significant proportion of the population (0.5% of people depending on statistics) can be comfortable and fit into categories without being discriminated and thus have a community and do sports.
Or do you care more about who wins a medal at the olympics?
Essentially, do you care more about protecting medals or protecting people?
what if there was 3 sections for sports: male at birth, women at birth, and then a mixed thing in which anyone could compete
I don't really see the problem with that sorta system
A lot of people didn't see a problem with segregating water fountains by race, either.
bad comparison
Trans aren't oppressed like black people were
We're not playing the "who had it worse" game because everyone loses.
But they are absolutely fucking oppressed.
Where do you base this on?
also i'm not sure if slavery and lynching are the same as being denied a bathroom.
Base what on? The countless stories of transgender (and cis misgendered) people being harassed in and around bathrooms?
The understanding based on real world experience that many transgender people pass as their gender, and therefore are clearly out of place in bathrooms meant for the gender that was assigned to them at birth?
The executive orders attempting to erase the recognition of transgender people entirely and require them to have the same gender listed on their passport as they did on their birth certificate? The State Department not returning or renewing passports for transgender people?
How many times does this need to be said? How many times do majorities need to fucking hear this about minorities?
I mean you're kinda making a blanket statement, I can't really work with 'countless stories' -- Can ya specify?
And please, don't hold me accountable for making the comparison. I never made the comparison, perhaps you should tell the above user
And also, I'm not a majority. I'm a minority as well.
Here you go. Please see... oh, pretty much any result. Throw a dart if you like. I don't need to specify, because frankly if you somehow missed every last news story, social media post, or just the constantly escalating hateful rhetoric against them, then you absolutely shouldn't be fucking talking about it.
No, you made the contrast. You were the one that suggested that one situation is oppression and the other is not.
If you're cisgender, you're the majority to their minority. You are a majority to them, playing the "who has it worse" game, where again, everyone loses.
Seems to be only in the US and biased articles. I can't anything about other countries.
I hope you see the irony in this lol
tho, I am curious, why not just use unisex bathrooms? Wouldn't that be a solution everyone can get behind?
yeah but segregating water fountains is different because the only reason it was done was bc of racism, there only needs to be one fountain
in sports men are inheritly stronger than women, so it makes sense to segregate them like that. now idk about how people transitioning from male to female or visa versa works with this, but if someone who was born male transitions to female but somehow retains some of that inherit strength (like say, they've got different bone structure or their muscles developed differently, or something that hormones cant change), I think they could have an advantage over other women in that sport.
I don't wanna come off as transphobic or something, I don't know much about all this, but I hope you see my point
I suspect the fact that you don't know much about it is why you are parroting widely discredited transphobic talking points.
The point is that today, we see clearly with the benefit of hindsight that racial segregation was done purely for the sake of racism. At the time, people muddied the waters with pseudoscientific rationalizations like phrenology and eugenics to mislead the masses and justify their bigotry, just like people are doing today with trans people in sports.
The only reason water fountains are seen as different is because the racists lost and we collectively have a new perspective after decades of integration. The transphobes are still empowered. Make no mistake, the bigots would love to reinstate all manner of segregation if they could, racial or otherwise. Trans people are just an easier target right now.
Do you disagree that men have a biological advantage over women when it comes to physical prowess and strength?
first off thats a hypothetical situation made up for the single purpose of excusing discrimination.
second off, I think you should look into the process of transitioning. It seems that you just think it's bottom surgery ("required procedures") and that's it.
Please learn about this topic before claiming that you know both sides. You can't say its black and white when you haven't even looked into the "required procedures".
Also, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
I'm not really good at refuting the points made against including trans people in sports, but John Oliver in Last Week Tonight did a segment about trans athletes if you actually want to learn about the pro trans athlete arguments.
Thanks, I will give it a watch I enjoy his content. I have a controversial opinion but I'm open to have my mind changed.
While he did spend a part of an hour in the topic, keep in mind its a very limited and narrow perspective on the situation. Its still good for him to have done an episode on it though, worth watching. I would recommend watching both right and left wing media on the subject if you want to try to understand the disagreements about it.
I watch John Oliver a lot I like his content and agree with the vast majority of what he says.
I also like watching right wing stuff so I don't end up in a echo chamber, I find most right wing stuff rediculous. But there's some crazy thigns happening that I wouldn't be aware of if I didn't watch it so I'm glad I do/did