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Putin Still Holds All the Cards in Ukraine, With No Reason to Fold
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Saw a pundit on TV say unironically "Russia has been trying to dominate Ukraine ever since the 1940s." Completely ignoring the Russification in Ukraine that was started a hundred years earlier by the imperialistic Czars, the very same Czars that the Bolsheviks hated and overthrew (with many Bolsheviks being Ukrainian socialists themselves, including Trotsky). Also, Ukraine joined the USSR in 1922, not the 1940s, so even the lib revisionist history is wrong by its own logic.
???? Ukraine was never russified, it was one of the historical centers of Russian culture, in the hundreds of years later it was occupied and torn by Mongols, Poles, Tatars, Ottomans, Austrians. Especially the Poland and Austria is notable, Poland polonised entire Ruthenian nobility and Austrian supported the new Ukrainian nationalism in XIX and XX century.
This is correct. Ukraine was not “Russified”, “Russianness” began in Kiev. If anything, Moscow was “Ukrainified”
Ukraine as a country and culture was invented in XIX century, before that the broad culture was usually called alternatively Russian or Ruthenian (there are even early XX century censuses where the peasants are just calling themselves "we are from here" having no concept of nation). The most important of founders of Ukrainian culture, Taras Shevchenko, died in 1861. Ukraine just means "borderland" because it was the centuries long battlefield between Poles, Tatars, Turks, Russians and Cossacks.
Right, you put it more eloquently. My point was only that "Russia" began in Kiev and then moved East into what is modern day Russia. Russia didn't invade Westward.
Right, their biggest extent was to the north
To be fair though it was more of an unification than real expansion since most of that territory was already under the various Ruthenian principalities. Essentially the process would probably sooner or later resulted in unified Russia much like the last of Rurikovich did, but Mongol invasion and then Lithuanian emergence put a 250 years pause on it and moved the center from Kiev, which seems to be the Ukrainian nationalists main gripe really, they would love to be Russia, but history decided they aren't.
uh, they meant when the soviet union reconquered the territory from nazi germany
Kiev was the start of Russian civilization lmao.