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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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Israel-Palestine Conflict

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I keep up with some socdem places (because I just love torturing myself or something) and it always makes me chuckle when I see people who are like "Well, sure, the US has done some bad things, even imperialism, but tankies never focus on the imperialism of the Russians or Chinese or Iranians. Why don't we have a universal critique of these actions instead of inordinately focussing on what America does? In fact, focussing on America is racist because it implies that other countries and people of other races are perfect beings who can do no wrong, which is infantilizing" and internally I'm just like: okay, we just need to do an entire ideological factory reset, because you have like stuxnet-tier brainworms or something

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

Westerners criticizing their own governments and power structures would be authoritarian actually

A real critical thinking liberal only criticizes their governments' official enemies

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They're consenting to their own delusion because otherwise they'd have to acknowledge that they're guilty by association for most of the world's misery.

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

I agree that at a certain level it has to be psychological. It certainly can't be based on an intellectual critique of "campism" because these people don't read books. Like, you read through Lenin's Imperialism once and it's just like, oh, when I accused fucking Iran or Cuba or Hamas or that scary-looking person on the street of being imperialist colonizers, I was using the liberal definition of imperialism, which is just the moral condemnation of "evil" as defined under the eldritch moral system of US empire

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago

I have never heard of the term "campist" before today, on an instagram post from "decolonizing anarchy" where they were condemning both sides in the war and were shaming campists. Someone in the comments definitely brought up how all people in their town do is sit and read books together instead of doing something lol. So you must be correct here

I love that education is so hated by most of the US, including many leftists. So cool

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

I hadn't heard it until Contrapoints brought it up earlier. What does it mean? I still don't get it.

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

Eh, just a synonym for tankie, mostly. Found on revolupedia:

Campism is a revisionist position among nominal communists which believes that the current world is divided into two geopolitical "camps" — the imperialist West led by the United States and European Union and the "anti-imperialist" East led by the Russian Federation and People's Republic of China. Campists omit the capitalist and imperialist nature of both Russia and China, the latter of which they view as being "socialist," and combine this view with the belief that these imperialist powers will create a state of "multipolarity" without reference to the condition of each bloc's exploited proletariat and its liberation.[1] Most campists are followers of Dengism.

Campism can be viewed as a modern iteration of the social-chauvinist and militarist views adopted by the Second International during the First World War, in which opportunist parties supported the imperialism and bourgeoisie of their home country against the working class of another. Both versions of this chauvinist view are contrasted with the Marxist–Leninist understanding of revolutionary defeatism.

A cute quote from a write up about campists:

The logic is something like this: X is an enemy of the United States, therefore X is anti-imperialist, therefore we support it, and since it is anti-imperialist, it must be progressive. It follows that any criticism of country X is reactionary. People who criticize any anti-imperialist nation such as X must be on the side of imperialism. So, for example, since the United States is an imperial power, and China opposes the United States, then China must be progressive (some will even say socialist). So then, the argument goes, those who criticize China for putting some 1.5 million Uyghurs in concentration camps or for its crushing of the democratic movement in Hong Kong, must be allied with the United States government and are objectively pro-imperialist. This is the campist logic.

[-] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

That last piece from the author of What Went Wrong? The Nicaraguan Revolution: A Marxist Analysis

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

Is the author legit? I glossed over the article, and that paragraph in particular stood out to me because it completely omits that the reason many people dismiss the Uyghur genocide is because there's is ample evidence that it never happened. So I wrote it off pretty immediately

[-] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

He has never met an AES that he could support. I haven't read the Nicaragua book but here's his summary of more recent events:

The Nicaraguan popular rebellion has been the subject of a debate between the democratic left, which has supported it, and the neo-Stalinist left, which has backed the dictator Ortega.

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