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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

LLMs are like a multitool, they can do lots of easy things mostly fine as long as it is not complicated and doesn't need to be exactly right. But they are being promoted as a whole toolkit as if they are able to be used to do the same work as effectively as a hammer, power drill, table saw, vise, and wrench.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly! LLMs are useful when used properly, and terrible when not used properly, like any other tool. Here are some things they're great at:

  • writer's block - get something relevant on the page to get ideas flowing
  • narrowing down keywords for an unfamiliar topic
  • getting a quick intro to an unfamiliar topic
  • looking up facts you're having trouble remembering (i.e. you'll know it when you see it)

Some things it's terrible at:

  • deep research - verify everything an LLM generated of accuracy is at all important
  • creating important documents/code
  • anything else where correctness is paramount

I use LLMs a handful of times a week, and pretty much only when I'm stuck and need a kick in a new (hopefully right) direction.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)
  • narrowing down keywords for an unfamiliar topic
  • getting a quick intro to an unfamiliar topic
  • looking up facts you’re having trouble remembering (i.e. you’ll know it when you see it)

I used to be able to use Google and other search engines to do these things before they went to shit in the pursuit of AI integration.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Google search was pretty bad at each of those, even when it was good. Finding new keywords to use is especially difficult the more niche your area of search is, and I've spent hours trying different combinations until I found a handful of specific keywords that worked.

Likewise, search is bad for getting a broad summary, unless someone has bothered to write it on a blog. But most information goes way too deep and you still need multiple sources to get there.

Fact lookup is one the better uses for search, but again, I usually need to remember which source had what I wanted, whereas the LLM can usually pull it out for me.

I use traditional search most of the time (usually DuckDuckGo), and LLMs if I think it'll be more effective. We have some local models at work that I use, and they're pretty helpful most of the time.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

No search engine or AI will be great with vague descriptions of niche subjects because by definition niche subjects are too uncommon to have a common pattern of 'close enough'.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Which is why I use LLMs to generate keywords for niche subjects. LLMs are pretty good at throwing out a lot of related terminology, which I can use to find the actually relevant, niche information.

I wouldn't use one to learn about a niche subject, but I would use one to help me get familiar w/ the domain to find better resources to learn about it.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 0 points 3 weeks ago

It is absolutely stupid, stupid to the tune of "you shouldn't be a decision maker", to think an LLM is a better use for "getting a quick intro to an unfamiliar topic" than reading an actual intro on an unfamiliar topic. For most topics, wikipedia is right there, complete with sources. For obscure things, an LLM is just going to lie to you.

As for "looking up facts when you have trouble remembering it", using the lie machine is a terrible idea. It's going to say something plausible, and you tautologically are not in a position to verify it. And, as above, you'd be better off finding a reputable source. If I type in "how do i strip whitespace in python?" an LLM could very well say "it's your_string.strip()". That's wrong. Just send me to the fucking official docs.

There are probably edge or special cases, but for general search on the web? LLMs are worse than search.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

than reading an actual intro on an unfamiliar topic

The LLM helps me know what to look for in order to find that unfamiliar topic.

For example, I was tasked to support a file format that's common in a very niche field and never used elsewhere, and unfortunately shares an extension with a very common file format, so searching for useful data was nearly impossible. So I asked the LLM for details about the format and applications of it, provided what I knew, and it spat out a bunch of keywords that I then used to look up more accurate information about that file format. I only trusted the LLM output to the extent of finding related, industry-specific terms to search up better information.

Likewise, when looking for libraries for a coding project, none really stood out, so I asked the LLM to compare the popular libraries for solving a given problem. The LLM spat out a bunch of details that were easy to verify (and some were inaccurate), which helped me narrow what I looked for in that library, and the end result was that my search was done in like 30 min (about 5 min dealing w/ LLM, and 25 min checking the projects and reading a couple blog posts comparing some of the libraries the LLM referred to).

I think this use case is a fantastic use of LLMs, since they're really good at generating text related to a query.

It’s going to say something plausible, and you tautologically are not in a position to verify it.

I absolutely am though. If I am merely having trouble recalling a specific fact, asking the LLM to generate it is pretty reasonable. There are a ton of cases where I'll know the right answer when I see it, like it's on the tip of my tongue but I'm having trouble materializing it. The LLM might spit out two wrong answers along w/ the right one, but it's easy to recognize which is the right one.

I'm not going to ask it facts that I know I don't know (e.g. some historical figure's birth or death date), that's just asking for trouble. But I'll ask it facts that I know that I know, I'm just having trouble recalling.

The right use of LLMs, IMO, is to generate text related to a topic to help facilitate research. It's not great at doing the research though, but it is good at helping to formulate better search terms or generate some text to start from for whatever task.

general search on the web?

I agree, it's not great for general search. It's great for turning a nebulous question into better search terms.

[-] LePoisson@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

I will say I've found LLM useful for code writing but I'm not coding anything real at work. Just bullshit like SQL queries or Excel macro scripts or Power Automate crap.

It still fucks up but if you can read code and have a feel for it you can walk it where it needs to be (and see where it screwed up)

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Exactly. Vibe coding is bad, but generating code for something you don't touch often but can absolutely understand is totally fine. I've used it to generate SQL queries for relatively odd cases, such as CTEs for improving performance for large queries with common sub-queries. I always forget the syntax since I only do it like once/year, and LLMs are great at generating something reasonable that I can tweak for my tables.

[-] LePoisson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

I always forget the syntax

Me with literally everything code I touch always and forever.

[-] morto@piefed.social 0 points 3 weeks ago

and doesn't need to be exactly right

What kind of tasks do you consider that don't need to be exactly right?

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Things that are inspiration or for approximations. Layout examples, possible correlations between data sets that need coincidence to be filtered out, estimating time lines, and basically anything that is close enough for a human to take the output and then do something with it.

For example, if you put in a list of ingredients it can spit out recipes that may or may not be what you want, but it can be an inspiration. Taking the output and cooking without any review and consideration would be risky.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago

Make a basic HTML template. I'll be changing it up anyway.

[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Most. I've used ChatGPT to sketch an outline of a document, reformulate accomplishments into review bullets, rephrase a task I didnt understand, and similar stuff. None of it needed to be anywhere near perfect or complete.

Edit: and my favorite, "what's the word for..."

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

That's because they look like "talking machines" from various sci-fi. Normies feel as if they are touching the very edge of the progress. The rest of our life and the Internet kinda don't give that feeling anymore.

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