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[-] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago

On top of that, sharing 1 washing machine for 20 fucking people?

In what world do the people writing this live? Have they never lived in an apartment building with shared laundry? The machines are never kept clean because people are fucking animals.

What a stupidly naive study lmao.

[-] astutemural@midwest.social 4 points 3 days ago

ITT: people who didn't even glance at the study.

Quoting from the study:

"It is important to understand that the DLS represents a minimum floor for decent living. It does not represent a an aspirational standard and certainly does not represent a ceiling. However, it is also a level of welfare not currently achieved by the vast majority of people. A new paper by Hoffman et al finds that 96.5 percent of people in low- and middle-income countries are deprived of at least one DLS dimension...we can conclude that 6.4 billion people, more than 80% of the world's population, are deprived of DLS."

The authors are not suggesting that everyone be forced on DLS at gunpoint. They are suggesting an absolute bare minimum standard that the overwhelming majority of people on Earth do not yet even have. Quite obviously any excess production could and would be used to increase standard of living.

[-] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 38 points 4 days ago

They live in a world where 700 million people are currently starving. Do you think you care about the washing machines if your children have nothing to eat?

[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 14 points 4 days ago

That's the heart of the issue, though, isn't it? Most people do care about the state of their washing machines even as countless children have nothing to eat. People chastise their kids for not eating their vegetables by saying "kids are starving in Africa," without doing anything to help any kids in Africa. People want more for themselves even while acknowledging that others have so much less. Studies like this assume that human selfishness is negligible, while it's actually one of the largest variables that needs to be factored in. Most people don't actually care about human suffering unless it's happening to someone they personally know - they care much more about their washing machine.

[-] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

The state of my washing machine doesn't have to change if we just tax billionaires.

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You could double everything in this post too and that's only 60% consumption.

20 m² of personal living space + 20 m² for every 2 ppl as bathroom / kitchen
4200 kcal/day
2800 kWh/year, but this already includes public services (education/healthcare)
1 washing machine per 10 ppl
2.4 kg clothing / 6 months
wear tops for 1.5 days and bottoms for 7.5 days without washing
1 laptop per 2 people with a yearly power consumption of 62 kWh. (bizzarely they talk about an 800 MHz computer and seem to confuse HDD and RAM). If your gaming computer used 400 W you could use it for 300 hr/year.

That seems a lot more reasonable to me and we still come in under carrying capacity

[-] Ziglin@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Apart from power, washing bottoms, and laptops that is pretty close to what many people I know have. That certainly doesn't seem outlandish.

Now who's going to help with the wealth redistribution and logistics? I volunteer for helping with logistics. Anyone with pew pew experience want to try the wealth redistribution?

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

You could probably chop 1000 calories and handwash your bottoms more often

[-] astutemural@midwest.social 1 points 3 days ago

ITT: people who didn't even glance at the study.

Quoting from the study:

"It is important to understand that the DLS represents a minimum floor for decent living. It does not represent a an aspirational standard and certainly does not represent a ceiling. However, it is also a level of welfare not currently achieved by the vast majority of people. A new paper by Hoffman et al finds that 96.5 percent of people in low- and middle-income countries are deprived of at least one DLS dimension...we can conclude that 6.4 billion people, more than 80% of the world's population, are deprived of DLS."