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[-] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 days ago

A simpler solution is to simply abolish wealth hoarding, impose sensible consumption limits (so, no cars or commercial plane travel, no meat, no 800 watt gaming rigs), and continue to encourage population decline. Boom, everyone is healthy, the air is clean, and you can keep your house.

that's how you start a civil war. lots of people will rebel against oppression

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

And that's why our species will die in the muck after we drain this planet of everything it needs to support our lives

[-] Iapetus@slrpnk.net -3 points 1 day ago

Humanity won't develop altruistic tendencies at the last second, I mean ffs we haven't yet in all of recorded history, so why in the our final 50 years of climate apocalypse and resource wars, would we?

We deserve to die off and we should, our species is terrible. All fantasies otherwise are illogical.

our species isn't more or less terrible like any other species on this planet that was able to utilize ressources better. for example trees: when they came along the absolutely strangled the planet, until their waste product (oxygen) became so concentrated that todays humans would die of it. even their corpses littered the floor in meter thick layers! (that's what todays coal is). I'm pretty sure that during this change biodiversity took a hard crash until life was able to adapt.

this continued until finally a bacterium developed the ability to degrade cellulose. i'm pretty sure the trees weren't too happy about that one, it must have been a massacre.

the same story happens in every bottle of juice: bacteria grow inside, exhausting all available ressources, culminating in a mass dieoff with a few scavengers left over. It's just a question if our intelligence allows us to take a different path or not.

[-] Iapetus@slrpnk.net 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

And do you think humanity as a whole is intelligent, organised, and altruistic enough to willingly 'take a different path'?

Most motherfuckers wouldn't even wear masks during covid and yet you think they're going to embrace this? Lmao.

I didn't say how optimistic i am, just that we are not special in our interaction with the biosphere - not at all. The tragedy is that we are the first that have enough intellect to reflect about those facts, so we are the first that even have the possibility to escape the cycle. if not, we probably will be reduced to scavengers, just like the bacteria in the juice bottle.

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