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Against truth (samkriss.substack.com)
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[-] gerikson@awful.systems 10 points 1 month ago

This was a good read. I also read the post/story/essay that got the rats upset and it's good too.

https://samkriss.substack.com/p/the-law-that-can-be-named-is-not

Yud's sputtering reaction can be read here among the comments here

https://xcancel.com/captgouda24/status/1946398995556819149

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Reaction ro Yud:

Soo... Care to have a word with Scott about Unsong?

And reply from what I assume is a lesswronger:

Extremely annoying to read something, halfway in discovering it's fake, then having to go back to re-update backwards on everything I "learned" from it

Re-update backwards

E: I keep thinking of Re-update backwards, how it is silly to have a special term for this (which prob means it has occurred often enough for them to think of one), and that it is silly to have to do this a lot because keeps happening and then not changing your behavior, how weird is your internet media consumption if you just assume everything you read on a blog is true. I would hope the first time people fall for that (I fell for adequacy [dot] org (I checked the actual link and got a red paged 'this site is dangerous' warning so not sure if the archive is still up, not used to those red paged warnings so didn't follow up on it) at the time, in my defense, I'm a fool) they start to be a bit less trustworthy of random stuff they read. But nope, re-update your priors backwards.

[-] goosehorse@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I'm a lurker who stumbled in here and read the comments out of fascination for this window into a strange online world.

If I didn't have a vague clue that this was about lampooning Silicon Valley's fart-sniffing "philosophers", I would be pretty certain "Re-update backwards" was clearly language invented by a cult to control their followers and separate them from the rest of the world.

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 1 month ago

yes, sneerclub exists to ridicule these people (see sub sidebar for some links)

and yep, your takeaway about that language is exactly right. although every single one of them continues to swear at every opportunity that they're not a cult, even midway through praising their cultlord

[-] zogwarg@awful.systems 6 points 1 month ago

Funnily enough it isn't even required by their purported bayesian doctrine (which proves none of them do the math), you could simply "update forward" again based on the new evidence that the text is part-fictional.

[-] scruiser@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago

Eliezer's response is especially stupid given that he has cited his fictional worldbuilding project like it is evidence (we have examples saved over on the reddit sneerclub).

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 1 month ago

a lot of which also exists on the archives here (although I guess now with that side also existing as frankenstein's monster there might be some funkiness going on)

[-] diz@awful.systems 1 points 3 weeks ago

So it got them so upset presumably because they thought it mocked the basilisk incident, I guess with Roko as Laurentius and Yudkowsky as the other guy?

[-] feistel@sns.feistel.party 1 points 2 weeks ago

It would be too too funny if it were really the case that a century of Kafka scholarship missed the point.

I haven't read any Kafka scholarship and I didn't even finish reading The Trial, but I can see the flattery and contradiction of being let in on a secret.

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