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[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 days ago

When was this written? Also, it's not entirely untrue to say that we know what electromagnetic force does, but not what causes it. They say it's a 'fundamental force', which is basically way of saying we can't further reduce it to explain in terms of other stuff. We don't know what any of the fundamental forces (electromagnetism, gravity, and the strong and weak nuclear forces) really are - we can only describe their effects on the world with maths ('what they do')

[-] balsoft@lemmy.ml 73 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

When was this written?

Given it has a (good quality) color photo attached to it, it was definitely published when we already understood the theory of electricity really well, so it doesn't get a pass.

We don’t know what any of the fundamental forces (electromagnetism, gravity, and the strong and weak nuclear forces) really are

I'd argue that for fundamental forces, "what they are" and "what they do" is the same, by definition.

And in any case, mains supply in your home is not just electromagnetic waves vibing around, it's electrons engineered to move through wires in very specific ways, transferring power from a moving magnet or (increasingly) a photon falling on a semiconductor junction, to move another magnet, heat up some metal, or (increasingly) bounce around some electrons between some semiconductor junctions and then emit photons from other semiconductors junctions.

Finally, most of the text is bullshit even if you don't think we know what fundamental forces "are":

No one has ever felt it

You can easily feel electric discharge. Just rub your hair on some wool.

No one has ever heard it

Just be around a thunderstorm. Thunder is the sound of an electric discharge.

We cannot even say where electricity comes from

You can see where the energy that moved the electrons in your wires came from: https://app.electricitymaps.com/

It was written by a complete and utter buffoon, and it can't be redeemed with any amount of handwaving or philosophizing over what it means to "know" or what things "are". Either that or it's satire (which might well be the case).

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 days ago

Given it has a (good quality) color photo attached to it, it was definitely published when we already understood the theory of electricity really well, so it doesn't get a pass.

It's even worse than that. Electric lighting predates the photo camera by several decades

[-] bigfondue@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Faraday's law and Lenz's law were discovered in the 1830s

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

The first arclamp is from the 1800-1810s. They weren't exactly selling them in stores by then, but they had been invented.

[-] balsoft@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

I'd argue we didn't fully understand the theory of electricity until we understood the atomic structures of metals and semiconductors, and that was properly developed in the early 20th century.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

You could place "understanding" at many points in history, and several in the future:

Building an arclamp powered by a portable generator is damned impressive.

Sending a message via electromagnetic waves shows very impressive understanding of electricity too.

Having a small electromagnetic particle accelerator in your house to show moving pictures is pretty damned amazing.

Using electricity and basically sand to do maths is insanely impressive.

On the other hand, you might argue we don't understand electricity because we don't have a unified field theory.

[-] Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

I think it might be real:

[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

I totally agree that the rest of it is nonsense, I was just commenting on the what it is/what it does bit

[-] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 days ago

It was apparently first printed in 1976 according to this page I found discussing it.

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Good find , from the same book, respect Astronomy, explained with the Bible (in a science Book 🤦)

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

That quote from the bible sounds a lot like they were saying "the things you see are made of things you can't see".

Which is totally accurate, atoms baby!

The whole time I was reading that, I was thinking "man, I miss the old Cracked. This is gold."

Then, I saw the author was Seanbaby! I think I know what site I will be wasting time on next.

[-] f314@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

I love how the book says that no one has observed electricity, yet it has a picture of a lightning bolt on the cover 🤦

[-] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 days ago

"That's not you observing electricity, that's just seeing something electricity does heathen."

Those guys probably.

Their argument seems to be that since you can't actually see it, as in you can't pump electricity into a clear pipe and see flowing through the pipe like water. That "science" must just be lying to you.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

But you can see it though. You can see it arc right?

[-] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 days ago

What they're saying best I can decipher is that seeing that bolt of lightning or that arc from a wire isn't you setting the "electricity" itself. It's you seeing something that it's doing. Like the arc is a shadow puppet and "electricity" as they define it is the hand casting the shadow.

What they essentially want is for you to be able to take a picture of a lightning bolt and zoom in to see the individual electrons moving through the air. Fundamentally entirely misunderstanding how science says electricity works.

[-] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 days ago

You can't see water either, only its effects on light that goes to your eyes

[-] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 days ago

Oh don't worry. They don't understand how eyes work either.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 4 points 6 days ago

Oh my...that page is amazing

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

Holy shit, I thought this had to be fake. :(

[-] Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

I think you’re on the right track. It’s like they heard “you can’t hold and observe an electron” and just really ran with that but missed all the actual nuance behind it. Still baffling why they would print this, seeming to point to on something like only god knows how electricity works while there’s a person using a very clearly engineered device and electric socket.

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago

This is the basis for their entire “understanding” of the world. It’s how they thank god when a doctor heals them. It’s how they can say that something produced by the scientific process (vaccines) are bad, but then enjoy so many of the benefits of the exact same process (pain meds). “God did it” is the ultimate willful ignorance.

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