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Ooo. Finally we got a reason.
Explain how me not voting, which you have no idea if I did or not, fails to push Progressive politics in the dnc?
I also didn't say that you shouldn't vote only that you shouldn't waste your time with electoralism. Meaning that people should vote for who they want regardless of the screeching the liberals do. And that they shouldn't waste their time doing anything with those parties since local organizations are far more important than political parties.
Here in fact I got a great Counterpoint to this idiotic line of thinking. In 2020 we had the largest voting turnout we have ever had And end it up With one of the most institutional governments the Democrats have ever given us. How come that didn't result into the progressive Wing that you keep talking about? We also have record-setting votes during the midterms 2022. I wonder what happened to those progressives. It's not like we have a foreign lobbyist organization that does its best to ensure that progressives can't get anywhere. It's also not like the powers that be in the DNC do their absolute best to ensure that progressives can't get anywhere.
Your behavior aligns with someone who didn't. And the biggest voter block was non-voting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1grcztm/voter_distribution_in_us_2024_presidential/
I see there's no response to me completely dismantling your point about creating a progressive Wing in the DNC.
Can we stop pretending electoralism is important? As I said multiple multiple times in this thread people should be spending their energy locally organizing with local organizations that do things like Feed the Homeless, or help those in a poverty situation.
It is important. This last election shows as much.
Yes we spent so much time and energy in electoralism to just for the Democrats to give the election to Trump 👍
What a wonderful use of our time, energy, and money.
Again, look who the biggest group is:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1grcztm/voter_distribution_in_us_2024_presidential/
Yes and harping on those apathetic voters to vote for harm reduction has been such a wonderful strategy for the past 20 years.
If you want those apathetic voters to vote you need to get them involved in local organizations so that they can actually see change in their local community. This gets people engage in politics and they will do things like engaging electoralism and go vote which deals with the apathetic voter issue.
But you don't get there by solely focusing on getting people to vote. You get there on getting people engaged with their local organizations in their community.
Again you won't have the space to do things locally and grow progressive movements if you don't engage in elections. And non-voting is the biggest slot. Tankies just don't have realy policy. My city wanted to criminalize sex workers some years back and make it hard to reach them with healthcare. Voters said no. Its also easier to get an abortion when its not criminalized. Tankies ignore the material reality of voting, as such they are not serious about the [class] war.
You keep using the term material conditions. I don't think it means what you think it means and as a communist I find your use of that term frankly to be offensive.
If you're going to use marxian terms at least go to the reading to figure out what they mean.
Congratulations your city managed to use labor power to vote down some shit that should have never been offered up to vote in the first place and would not have ever been offered up to vote in a communist Society or in a locally run organization. You guys going to do that every time for the rest of Eternity to ensure that the powers that be don't pass those laws? And you wonder why people are burnt out and apathetic.
Furthermore your issue on the right to assembly is just as valid under the Democrats as it is under Trump because both parties are guilty of limiting the right to assembly. The United Kingdom labor party's actions against the group called Palestine action. See the United States response to college campus protests.
And you're just grasping at straws trying to literally find anything to invalidate my point when people have been meeting in groups secretly or not for years whether or not it's illegal.