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There were two pro-palestine campaigns: The Uncommited movement and Abandon Harris. The Uncommited people ended up endorsing Kamala, while Abandon Harris endorsed Jill Stein - who only got 0.56 % of the vote. So not only would it make no fucking difference if every single Jill voter had gone for Kamala, but the rest of the movement ACTIVELY supported Harris. And this movement was not even the left - it included the left sure, but it was a broad coalition of various demographics - not JUST the left!
So show me the data - I am not going through your comment history looking for it.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/harris-gaza
You are telling me that these 19 million people are terminally online stalinists instead of opinion-having normal people?
Is there a secret bit in the article that proves that part? You said it was demonstrable facts and data and then did a backflip and folded your arms so I really hope you aren't making shit up right now
1/3 of 19 million is 6.33 million. And honestly, if you told me that there were 6.33 million terminally online Stalinists in America, a country of some 330 million people, I might look at you a bit askew, but it wouldn't be out of the question.
Your original accusation that it wasn't 'left' voters who abstained, but 'mostly disengaged normal people'. I don't know how many normal people you talk to, but I assure you, in the US, even the moderately political are generally tuned the fuck out on foreign affairs. For someone to abstain for the issue of Gaza, specifically, is not 'mostly disengaged' nor 'normal people'; by and large, they would have been in the top half of engaged voters, at the least - and considering overwhelming US opinions on Israel and Palestine, even by 2024 (which saw the first major shift in my lifetime on the issue), those who abstained would have overwhelmingly been strongly pro-Palestine types.
Left narratives absolutely influenced the broader discussion on the Palestine genocide, including the notion that "both sides" (of the American political spectrum) were entirely identical on the subject, allowing the GOP to go all-in to appeal to Zionists whilst simultaneously and effectively painting the Dems as antisemitic (to Zionists) and Israeli genocidaires (to anti-Zionists), as seen by GOP strategists running ads simultaneously pushing both negative views in swing states with large Jewish or Arabic populations.
If that is true, then it sounds like the Dems should start catering to the left, instead of telling them to sit down and shut up.
Additionally, that poll says "...a top reason...", not the only reason. Look at the other issues listed in the poll:
All things that the Democrats keep campaigning on, but doing practially nothing about.
Fucking lol.