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Americans alcohol consumption reaches all time low.
(www.npr.org)
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Have you really seen people ruin their lives from just kratom use?
Yes. I had a buddy who started taking it to ween away from his alcoholic tendency to enjoy a 5th of whiskey every night, and he quickly became addicted.
He told me the withdrawals felt worse than what he was dealing with from the alcohol (though he was getting hit with both), ended up losing his job and spiraling into a recluse who spent all his time in bed or doing kratom. He eventually got help and got better.
There's this idea that its a "safe" drug, and posts encouraging its use in threads like these as some sort of alternative to getting drunk don't help that perception. Its very addictive and the withdrawal symptoms suck just as much if not more than with booze, although I don't think you can die from Kratom withdrawal the way you can from alcohol. Someone fact check me on that.
Edit: What makes it dangerous is how quickly you can become physically dependent on Kratom.
I found alcohol much worse, a lot closer to what I have seen in fent withdrawal (never personally experienced that fortunately)
Definitely became dependant but it felt more like antidepressant dependency, where the addiction isn't psychologically difficult but stopping cold turkey sucks. Sometimes I wonder if it would have been much harder to quit if I didn't have to order it in the mail, which is a pretty good obstacle for a craving.
I mean there's not a lot of research into kratom withdrawal, but from my experience it's not anywhere near deadly, and I've withdrawn from pretty high doses. I had a much worse time withdrawaling from alcohol and actual opiates, kratom withdrawal was something that I could still hold my job through,
I recommend kratom to users of pretty much any hard drugs because it's far more functional of a drug. I know people who didn't really get sober, but they switched out their meth or fentanyl use with kratom and started living functional lives. Shit, I did it with fentanyl and got my life back for a while, it really only got nasty when I started mixing it with alcohol or experimenting with 7-OH.
It's safe in the sense that compared to everything else you can get ahold of, it's the least likely to ruin your life.
Yeah. Dude's aren't ODing on it, but they just sit in their apartment everyday doing nothing but kratom. It ruins tour social life, it ruins your work life, and it just straight up ruins your life because it's so hard to stop using.
It helped me get to work as the least impairing drug I found that dulled my emotional pain enough. After work was for liquor lol
I feel like I had a pretty successful run with it and the times I had to withdrawal weren't nearly as bad as what people say, though I guess you can't know what your withdrawal will be like until you've done it
how's that even possible? by your second dose you feel nothing. your bloodstream is loaded with anatongists it's like being on narcan. only people that i'm aware of doing this are in severe, chronic pain.
it's not heroin there is no escalating high. at most you feel like you took 1 vicodin. this has got to be people pounding down 7-OH tablets, which is 0.05% of kratom by weight and purely synthetic
fwiw, I hear kratom hits different if you've never been on dope
Not kratom in isolation. But if there is one drug that I'd say to not fuck around with it's opioid and opioid-like analgesics. I have some friends who have been struggling for the past 15 years to get off of opioids, and many who didn't make it. No other drug category has contributed more to decimating my friend group.
I worked in addiction treatment and harm reduction. The demons who took your friends from you will not stop until as many people are dead as possible. It is class warfare imo. Wish you and your friends well comrade.