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honestly there's just better buzzes out there with less side effects, especially for social fun
cannabis (not quite the same, but great social lubricant if everyone starts sober and gets high together)
kratom (more medical utility but can be fun for outdoor adventures in groups. starts as a stim and ends with some sleepiness, so plan properly) (DISCLAIMER: not recommended for experimentation but has current and historical uses as an alcohol alternative) for more info check out layla's guide
kava (basically IRL synthahol from star trek. dials right in to the 1-2 drink buzz with no risk of further. downside is reverse tolerance and doesn't work for everyone)
some kind of GABA-B substance (more risky since most are research chems (F-phenibut comes to mind), often very long lasting, but all the inhibition of alcohol without being drunk and hard to black out on unlike GHB agonists).
(all have a risk of addiction as any substance but comedowns/withdrawals are significantly less then alcohol, as well as not being potentially lethal. also OD risk is either physically impossible or extremely difficult)
I don't know how to say this nicely. Don't do kratom unless you're already an opioid addict and you need to come off. It's not a safe drug to experiment with recreationally because it's so easy to get addicted to. I'm a heavy drug user and promote experimenting with drugs except for opioids (and kratom) because of how many people I've seen absolutely ruin their lives on it.
i know vastly more people that use kratom occasionally and responsibly then don't. not everyone has that spark inside that lights up when mu receptors are tripped. just because we have it doesn't apply to everyone.
much of the recent media blitz against kratom is due to the kratom lobby's deal with RFK jr to ban 7-OH in exchange for saving leaf kratom. not sure if this is going to work.
increase in addiction to "kratom" is mostly due to ease of access to 7-OH and highly potent liquid concentrates at gas stations. in high doses, kratom's natural antagonists are overwhelmed by the partial opioid agonists (or in the case of 7-OH, full agonists). thus, it behaves more like a classical opioid. and since the average person's first exposure to kratom these days is potent concentrate shots, they can more easily become physically addicted.
occasional use of leaf (or full spectrum concentrates) has low risk of physical addiction. leaf at less then 1-2 g a day could take months to develop physical addiction.
i used kratom to get off stronger opioids, and to prevent cravings or a relapse. for .50 a day it was a fine bargin to make. all my plugs disappeared, i fell away from the scene entirely, and can now taper slowly at my leisure.
but it is vastly more difficult to become instantly addicted off kratom because it's short acting, partial agonism, and delta action. too much and it's like you've taken Salvia, right down to the "flushing" effect, dizziness, and disassociation. it's like a built in braking system. also nearly impossible to OD.
not sure how this is ruining lives. there will always be exceptions. compared to every other opioid out there, it is the safest and best tolerated and that's an absolute scientific fact
I definitely think it should be legal and accessible because it's a valuable tool for people on opioids. I don't think we have a kratom epidemic. But in a conversation about alcohol alternatives with people who aren't as informed about drug experimentation, I'd voice that kratom as a lot more potential consequences from say kava, cannabis, etc.
i don't disagree with you there. look i mod the drugs com, and our #1 priority is harm reduction. and i know we aren't on it right now
i added disclaimers, i can add more for kratom. but it is undeniably used as an alternative to alcohol for many people (i often read the AKA testimonials and i was surprised myself), i can't conceal that fact.