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[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 5 months ago

While you aren't wrong about human nature. I'd say you're wrong about systems. How would the same thing happen under an anarchist system? Or under an actual communist (not Marxist-Leninist) system? Which account for human nature and focus to use it against itself.

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

I'll answer. Because some people see these systems as "good" regardless of political affiliation and want them furthered and see any cost as worth it. If an anarchist / communist sees these systems in a positive light, then they will absolutely try and use them at scale. These people absolutely exist and you could find many examples of them on Lemmy. Try DB0.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 1 points 5 months ago

And the point of anarchist or actual communist systems is that such scale would be miniscule. Not massive national or unanswerable state scales.

And yes, I'm an anarchist. I know DB0 and their instance and generally agree with their stance - because it would allow any one of us to effectively advocate against it if we desired to.

There would be no tech broligarchy forcing things on anyone. They'd likely all be hanged long ago. And no one would miss them as they provide nothing of real value anyway.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

And the point of anarchist or actual communist systems is that such scale would be miniscule.

Every community running their own AI would be even more wasteful than corporate centralization. It doesn't matter what the system is if people want it.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 1 points 5 months ago

The point is, most wouldn't. It's of little real use currently, especially the LLM bullshit. The communities would have infinitely better things to pit resources to.

[-] Ofiuco@piefed.ca -1 points 5 months ago

It will happen regardless because we are not machines, we don't follow theory, laws, instructions or whatever a system tells us to perfectly and without little changes here and there.

[-] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

I think you are underestimating how adaptable humans are. We absolutely conform to the systems that govern us, and they are NOT equally likely to produce bad outcomes.

[-] JargonWagon@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Every system eventually ends with someone corrupted with power and greed wanting more. Putin and his oligrachs, Trump and his oligarchs... Xi isn't great, but at least I haven't heard news about the Uyghurs situation for a couple of years now. Hope things are better there nowadays and people aren't going missing anymore just for speaking out against their government.

[-] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Time doesn't end with corrupt power, those are just thing that happen. Bad shit always happens, it's the Why, How Often and How We Fix It that are mote indicative of success. Every machine breaks down eventually.

[-] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

I mean you'd have to be pretty smart to make the perfect system. Things failing isn't proof that things can't be better.

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