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The Mali Empire (1240-1645) of West Africa was founded by Sundiata Keita (r. 1230-1255) following his victory over the kingdom of Sosso (c. 1180-1235). Sundiata's centralised government, diplomacy and well-trained army permitted a massive military expansion which would pave the way for a flourishing of the Mali Empire, making it the largest yet seen in Africa.

The reign of Mansa Musa I (1312-1337) saw the empire reach new heights in terms of territory controlled, cultural florescence, and the staggering wealth brought through Mali's control of regional trade routes. Acting as a middle-trader between North Africa via the Sahara desert and the Niger River to the south, Mali exploited the traffic in gold, salt, copper, ivory, and slaves that crisscrossed West Africa. Muslim merchants were attracted to all this commercial activity, and they converted Mali rulers who in turn spread Islam via such noted centres of learning as Timbuktu. In contrast to cities like Niani (the capital), Djenne, and Gao, most of the rural Mali population remained farmers who clung to their traditional animist beliefs. The Mali Empire collapsed in the 1460s following civil wars, the opening up of trade routes elsewhere, and the rise of the neighbouring Songhai Empire, but it did continue to control a small part of the western empire into the 17th century.

Sundiata Keita & Government

Sundiata Keita (aka Sunjaata or Sundjata, r. 1230-1255) was a Malinke prince, whose name means 'lion prince', and he waged war against the kingdom of Sosso from the 1230s. Sundiata formed a powerful alliance of other disgruntled chiefs tired of Sumanguru's harsh rule and defeated the Sosso in a decisive battle at Krina (aka Kirina) in 1235. In 1240 Sundiata captured the old Ghana capital. Forming a centralised government of tribal leaders and a number of influential Arab merchants, this assembly (gbara) declared Sundiata the supreme monarch and gave him such honorary titles as Mari Diata (Lord Lion). The name Sundiata gave to his empire, Africa's largest up to that point, was Mali, meaning 'the place where the king lives'. It was also decreed that all future kings would be selected from the Keita clan, although the title was not necessarily given to the eldest son of a ruler, which sometimes led to fierce disputes among candidates.

The Mansa, or king, would be assisted by an assembly of elders and local chiefs throughout the Mali Empire's history, with audiences held in the royal palace or under a large tree. The king was also the supreme source of justice, but he did make use of legal advisors. In addition, the king was helped by a number of key ministers such as the chief of the army and master of the granaries (later treasury), as well as other officials like the master of ceremonies and leader of the royal orchestra. Nevertheless, the Mansa acted as a supreme monarch and monopolised key trade goods, for example, only he was permitted to possess gold nuggets, traders had to make do with gold dust.

Trade & Timbuktu

Like its political predecessors, the Mali Empire prospered thanks to trade and its prime location, situated between the rain forests of southern West Africa and the powerful Muslim caliphates of North Africa. The Niger River provided ready access to Africa's interior and Atlantic coast, while the Berber-controlled camel caravans that crossed the Sahara desert ensured valuable commodities came from the north. The Mali rulers had a triple income: they taxed the passage of trade goods, bought goods and sold them on at much higher prices, and had access to their own valuable natural resources. Significantly, the Mali Empire controlled the rich gold-bearing regions of Galam, Bambuk, and Bure. One of the main trade exchanges was gold dust for salt from the Sahara. Gold was in particular demand from European powers like Castille in Spain and Venice and Genoa in Italy, where coinage was now being minted in the precious metal.

Timbuktu, founded c. 1100 by the nomadic Tuaregs, was a semi-independent trade port which had the double advantage of being on the Niger River bend and the starting point for the trans-Saharan caravans. The city would be monopolised and then taken over by the Mali kings who made it into one of the most important and most cosmopolitan trade centres in Africa. Through Timbuktu there passed such lucrative goods as ivory, textiles, horses (important for military use), glassware, weapons, sugar, kola nuts (a mild stimulant), cereals (e.g. sorghum and millet), spices, stone beads, craft products, and slaves. Goods were bartered for or paid using an agreed upon commodity such as copper or gold ingots, set quantities of salt or ivory, or even cowry shells (which came from Persia).

Mansa Musa I

After a string of seemingly lacklustre rulers, the Mali Empire enjoyed its second golden era during the reign of Mansa Musa I in the first half of the 13th century. With an army numbering around 100,000 men, including an armoured cavalry corps of 10,000 horses, and with the talented general Saran Mandian, Mansa Musa was able to maintain and extend Mali's empire, doubling its territory. He controlled lands up to the Gambia and lower Senegal in the west; in the north, tribes were subdued along the whole length of the Western Sahara border region; in the east, control spread up to Gao on the Niger River and, to the south, the Bure region and the forests of what became known as the Gold Coast came under Mali oversight. The Mali Empire thus came to include many different religious, ethnic, and linguistic groups.

To govern these diverse peoples, Mansa Musa divided his empire into provinces with each one ruled by a governor (farba) appointed personally by him and responsible for local taxes, justice, and settling tribal disputes. The administration was further improved with greater records kept and sent to the centralised government offices at Niani. With more tribute from more conquered chiefs, more trade routes under Mali control, and even more natural resources to exploit, Mansa Musa and the Mali elite became immensely rich. When the Mali king visited Cairo in 1324, he spent or simply gave away so much gold that the price of bullion crashed by 20%. Such riches set off a never-ending round of rumours that Mali was a kingdom paved with gold. In Spain c. 1375, a mapmaker was inspired to create Europe's first detailed map of West Africa, part of the Catalan Atlas. The map has Mansa Musa wearing an impressive gold crown and triumphantly brandishing a huge lump of gold in his hand. European explorers would spend the next five centuries trying to locate the source of this gold and the fabled trading city of Timbuktu.

Decline

The Mali Empire was in decline by the 15th century. The ill-defined rules for royal succession often led to civil wars as brothers and uncles fought each other for the throne. Then, as trade routes opened up elsewhere, several rival kingdoms developed to the west, notably the Songhai. European ships, especially those belonging to the Portuguese, were now regularly sailing down the west coast of Africa and so the Saharan caravans faced stiff competition as the most efficient means to transport goods from West Africa to the Mediterranean. There were attacks on Mali by the Tuareg in 1433 and by the Mossi people, who at that time controlled the lands south of the Niger River. Around 1468, King Sunni Ali of the Songhai Empire (r. 1464-1492) conquered the rump of the Mali Empire which was now reduced to controlling a small western pocket of its once great territory. What remained of the Mali Empire would be absorbed into the Moroccan Empire in the mid-17th century.

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[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

Am I a lib for thinking Luthen was wrong for wanting to encourage the Ghorman rebellion just to accelerate the overall rebellion but with the understanding that they had no chance?

I am not against resistance, and I understand we sometimes have to take a long term view, but I do have to agree with Andor on that one but I'm not sure if that's the lib position. In the end, the Empire just utilized the excuse to destabilize the planet anyway. I'm not sure if it even really spawned further rebellions as a result. So, what was the point? Was the galaxy really watching?

Considering that the parallel is often drawn, the situation in Palestine with Hamas is different, in my opinion. The colonization and genocide was already happening and ongoing there for decades and showing signs of entering its final phases, so a last (not first) act of igniting further resistance can make sense. Of course, in that situation, the Zionist Entity utilized Hamas as a justitication for accelerating the genocide to its latest phases as well, but just seems different. Anyway, but what about Luthen and the Ghor?

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 7 points 6 days ago

The Empire was committed to destroying Ghorman all along, regardless of what the Ghor did. From the moment the Empire set its sights on that kalkite under their feet, everyone on the planet was effectively doomed, with resistance being the only possible glimmer of hope.

The massacre at the plaza became the inciting incident for the formation of the Rebel Alliance.

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

I guess you're right that it was the inciting incident. I hadn't connected it, but it did start the whole Rebel Alliance.

I had just thought of it like it led Mon to give a speech and ditch, but not much else besides Ghor getting killed. Maybe they just didn't explicitly explain for the dummies that the second Ghorman Massacre actually led to creating the Alliance or did I miss it in my stoned haze?

And, yeah, I always knew they were doomed regardless because of the Krennick's voice kalkite. It just seemed like adventurism (?) to try to put resources into a doomed rebellion as a way to begin revolution as opposed to a struggle which can maybe be won, given how extremely limited and delicate the movement is in the beginning. And I know all revolutions begin in asymmetric relation and almost seem impossible until it's actually done, but in this scenario they just really don't have a chance of winning in Ghorman at all so it seemed like a waste to just accelerate genocide.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

Mon Mothma giving a speech and ditching was the creation of the Rebel Alliance. Well, technically a second speech she gave onboard that evacuation ship Cassian delivered her to was, but that's deep Star Wars dork shit to know.

In terms of resources invested, Luthen didn't actually put much into Ghorman, just a few advisors. I don't think he even shipped them any weapons. It seems, watching it, that it was a more significant investment because those advisors were all named characters in the show, but it didn't actually cost the Rebel effort as a whole very much.

From the perspective of the Ghor themselves, their choices were either resist and be slaughtered or not resist and be slaughtered, which is really no choice at all. Evacuation wouldn't be allowed by the Empire which was blockading Ghorman, and it's not like the Rebellion had the space lift capability to actually do an evacuation of an entire planetary population anyway.

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago

Thank you, that's all helpful context! I did wonder about what happened with Mon leaving because they mentioned something about her giving another speech but didn't show it.

It appears that I am indeed a LIB

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

Her other speech happened in S03E18 of the animated show Star Wars Rebels. I only know about this because I saw an article praising the Andor showrunners for managing to keep that bit of "canon" intact while having Cassian rescue Mon from the Senate building and giving her another speech to say on their show.

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Hmm! Interesting!

I think I'll add the speech from that show as a bonus custom deleted scene next time I watch the Andor episode. Thanks for all the information! I really don't know much about the Star Wars universe.

[-] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago

You miss all the shots you don't take

[-] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago

Ghorman was like a middle class planet, not core and not periphery (literal in the case of the star wars galaxy). Its not like Palestine being torched or Iraq being invaded for "wmd", its like the modern US attacking Mexico - and whatever that'd mean for the world as a whole I guess. Or even Iran, they had a years long propaganda effort to demonize the Ghor.

Luthen was an accelerationist and thought they fall of Ghor would lead to the Rebellion and was willing to gamble that it would. The Ghor were facing genocide one way or the other, what else is there to do but resist? Andor was right that they weren't ready but even though he faced the Empire and what it meant up close, he still didnt know that the Ghor weren't getting out of this without their planet being blown up. He didnt think the Empire was gonna do that until he did

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah, that's true. I wasn't really against the Ghor starting their resistance, even if it was doomed, but it didn't seem like a smart move to get the rebellion involved in it at the time.

I was thinking about it and I guess what bothered me about it was that Luthen didn't really have a plan or care to even try to help the Ghor actually prevent their own destruction. He was even perfectly fine with accelerating the genocide on the off chance it would help. It worked out for the rebellion but it seemed fucked up to me, even if the Ghor were way too Fr*nch.

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