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amazing how much shittier it is to be in the rat community now that the racists won. before at least they were kinda coy about it and pretended to still have remotely good values instead of it all being yarvinslop.

invertebrateinvert

it would be nice to be able to ever invite rat friends to anything but half the time when I've done this in the last year they try selling people they just met on scientific racism!

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[-] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago

Close,
You should have tried a "person capable of rational, coherent thought", instead of a rational-ist.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 0 points 1 month ago

We are talking about the subculture here.

[-] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago

Oh, I just realised!
Does "rat" refer to "rationalist"?

I thought it was referring to Lemmy because of the rat symbol.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 0 points 1 month ago

It does, I dont like it personally because of the whole dont compare people you do not like to vermin bit. But it is also a commonly used thing inside the Rationalists community. (I personally also like to capitalize Rationalist when im talking about the lesswrong etc people to make it clear im not talking about normal rationalism).

[-] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago

Now I feel like I need to read up on all terms in the sidebar before continuing further.

Either way, I'd most probably still stand on my point of not defining a person by the community they relate to and not defining a community by some people that you interact with from said community.
*-ism and *-ist haven't been doing much good for a long time now.

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 1 month ago

not defining a person by the community they relate to

u wot m8? they're hanging out with active racists recruiting people to racism and their response is to stop taking those guys to parties? you fuckin bet i'm gonna judge them by relating to that community

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is the stance of a lot of people when they first learn of or get skeptical about the Lesswrongosphere. Not a stance you can hold for very long when you read more and more of their work with a critical eye.

Or you find another of their blogs where Steve Sailer is a beloved (but sometimes begrudged) regular. Or when you notice that big twitter race and IQ guy and eugenicists started in Rationalism. Or when the EA people themselves admit this is a huge problem. Or... Etc. Drink horse drink!

[-] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

the stance of a lot of people

This is my stance on Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Racism, Scientism, realism, pragmatism, capitalism, communism, fascism, left-ism, right-ism, up-ism, down-ism, and whatever other way to group people you can come up with.

And history will prove me right, as it has before.

Here you see just one of those -isms. And there will be similar examples everywhere.
People who got fooled. People who were just better than others. People who fooled others into adding them to their group, just to then overthrow everything the group stood for, just to use it for totally different things.

Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

― Steven Weinberg

I will go ahead and extend this to anything and everything that gives a person the sense of belonging.
That can delay/reduce a persons critical thinking capabilities just enough to destroy everything they stood for.
They they either realise that and suffer, or they never realise and the world suffers.

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