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Don't fix the problem just change the parameters
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First: Some UK teachers exchanged the analogue with digital clocks. This was only to reduce interruptions by some students (during a specific kind of UK exams), who had trouble determining the remaining time in the heat of the exam battle.
Secondly: The use of analogue clocks is taught at UK schools. What's missing is the practice that former generations of pupils had. No more wristwatches, public clocks all but gone, and (what I am nostalgically missing from my youth) no more peeking onto parked car's dashboards to read the analogue clock there. Times have changed, and this specific partially lost ability is not the schools' fault. (Not to say that other things aren't...)
Can we please bury that stupid old meme, as it has been based on some inaccurate buzz and largely giving a completely inaccurate impression of the topic from the start...
Eventually, Lexus might stop including the analog clock as a luxury feature.
Kids donβt know cursive either. Nobody needs it anymore.
Being "taught" cursive in school was torture, anyway.
I was taught block lettering in technical drafting class, 8th grade. Cursive is a lettering specifically created to be easy to handwrite. It flows on paper, as opposed to the repetitive short strokes of block lettering.
The way they taught us cursive was the complete opposite of the intent of cursive. Rigidly proscribed characters with marks only for form, ignoring all function. It was agonizingly tedious and physically painful writing all of those nonsensical scrawls. I immediately switched back to my own chicken scratch after grade school because it was not only orders of magnitude faster, but at least didn't make my hand painfully seize up into a claw.
Decades later, as my handwriting evolved, a number of my own script letters began to resemble those wretched cursive runes, because I had apparently blindly stumbled upon the actual correct method for writing to flow from nib to parchment, as opposed to whatever those torturous rituals scarred me with as a child.
The problem you describe is very real, and not just in the US or the UK, but in most of Europe as well. A big part of writing is how to actually write, not just the letters et al.
I mean the literal way you move you arm, the angle you write at, how you hold you pen, etc.
I didn't learn any of that, and as an intensely dyslexic and left-handed individual, writing was extremely painful to me. That is, until 10th grade where I taught myself calligraphy.
It turns out that, when learning calligraphy, you do learn how to write properly.
After that, my handwriting in school (and for the rest of my life) became much better: I didn't have hand-pain anymore, I didn't smudge the ink, and, of course, my handwriting was very orderly and neat. Teachers even started commenting on it!
Most notably for me though: writing became fun. For me, as a dyslexic, this literally felt revolutionary.
Anyway, that is what I think they should teach in schools.
I feel that learning cursive is important.
First you learn how to write ordinary letters. That trains your fine motor skills so you can write them reliably (try writing with your non-dominant yourself hand to see).
What cursive teaches you is how to write quickly. Of course, no one will write in pure, perfect cursive. Most people settle for a style somewhere in between. It teaches you the concept of "you can combine letters together to make you write faster" and "here are a bunch of ways to combine them". It's a good thing, Especially if they end up going to college.
Giving them a few more weeks of practice in reading and writing is a great way to avoid them being partially illiterate.
Counter point: I can write a hell of a lot faster on a keyboard if I need to take notes.
I am not being funny but if someone is unable to read the time perhaps they shouldn't be in the exam room in the first place.
It is like saying that all questions will be read out loud all the time and verbal answers recorded instead of written ones - because some students are illiterate.
Honestly if you can't calculate things on an abacus you shouldn't be in the exam room tbh. Sure, calculators have been invented and have ultimately replaced the abacus in nearly every facet of day to day life, but surely you know how to add beads together?
We're letting kids use GPS to get to school now? What the street signs and constellations aren't good enough for you?
Let me rephrase it than - if someone is an idiot, they shouldn't be in the exam room. If you are concerned about it, it may be because you fit the category.
Yikes.
Also, since you ran out of arguments and started correcting people's spelling, *then.
You donβt know how to use an abacus? You must be an idiot.
No. Don't know how to use the clock? You shouldn't be in the exam room.
Except, they do know how to use a clock. Just not your favorite clock
Nope. They don't know how to use the clock. The one widely used.
Not the one widely used, but they do know how to use the clock. And they're not really that much more used than digital clocks. Therefore, it doesn't matter
Would it matter to you if they didn't know how to add and multiply without calculator?
It would cuz there's no better alternative. But analog clocks do have an alternative ........ Digital clocks
I guess spelling didn't matter to you either? π
Calculator is an alternative to the mental arithmetic sweetie. Yes we still want kids to know that 2 times 2 is four without using a calculator. Go figure why.
Pointing out spelling mistakes is lame af. Yup it totally doesnt. Who cares lmfao
And there's no alternative which allows you to use it without any required prior knowledge on how to use it. And therefore we use the calculator as an alternative for larger calculations.
Because like I said, the mind is faster with smaller calculations. And, like I said, digital clocks are more convenient alternative to analog ones.
Yeah.... I can see why YOU are arguing clocks are too difficult π€¦
Now read again. Slowly.
Actually, you are the best argument why understanding the clock should be a requirement. π€£π€£π€£
Never said that. I said they're harder to comprehend than digital ones. I do know how to read an analog clock. But it doesn't matter these days. Also, correcting spelling mistakes online is the corniest thing some1 can do.
Perhaps you'd want to do that. Or do u lack reading comprehension?
*you
What makes people who didn't learn to read analog clocks idiots? If you have a thing about analog clocks, just keep it to yourself.
Or maybe because it's just stupid af to judge people's intelligence based on an unrelated life skill.
Wrong question. The correct would be: what make people who are too lazy or too stupid to learn the clock idiots - but that would be a rhetorical one.
Intelligence is an ability to obtain knowledge and skills. If someone lacks both, it is a strong indication of them not having enough intelligence to obtain them.
They do know how to read the clock (digital ones :) ) Again, it doesn't make them idiots or lazy for not learning something they don't really need to learn
What makes you think they don't have the ability to learn how to read analog clocks just because they don't? You might not know how ride a horse, but that doesn't mean you can't learn how to. Are you an idiot for not learning how to?
They also know how to use calculator, they just don't knot 2 times 2 is four without it. Neither have place during an exam.
Because if they did, they would have done during lessons to learn it, sweetie π
Thanks for calling me a sweetie. Love u too. Forgetting is a thing. Unlike previous generations they are not as much exposed to analog ones. Therefore they don't need to. Digital clocks are used in electronic devices etc.
Except basic math is necessary since the brain is faster with smaller calculations and analog clock really isn't that much necessary anymore. They can be replaced.
*you
*analogue
Devolving to linguistic prescriptivism just proves you don't have an argument anymore lol
Students with dyslexia do get special treatment. There is no reason to discriminate against people lacking an unrelated skill and it's not funny to demand it so we at least agree on something
I am not referring to students with diagnosed disabilities - I am referring to the vast majority without.
... in the context that many students can't read analog clocks and shouldn't get help. Pretty sure there is no official diagnosis for this so no problem and they don't deserve to know how much time they have left in a biology exam. Again, there is no reason to discriminate against people lacking unrelated skills, if diagnosed or undiagnosed.
Let me put it this way: if someone is not disabled and still unable or too lazy to understand the clock, they shouldn't be in the exam room in the first place.
This is not a "discrimination" - most exams are for the people with a some level of the IQ, certainly above the level of a radiator. Or a stool.
They can understand the clock? Just not the analog clock. Why should they anyways? It's not like that's the only way to tell time and since reading analog clocks is an unrelated skill why do u think they're not fit to write exams? It has nothing to do with IQ, it's just that analog clocks aren't as common as they used to be. Hence, they're less used to them than previous generations. They probably can learn to read them if they wanted to, but they just don't bother, since they don't really need it these days
Because it is is widely used?
Why should they learn alphabet in the first place? Why should they learn numbers?
It's not really widely used anymore.
Alphabets can't be replaced by something easier and more convenient. But clocks can be
Ah, okay, I can't take exams because my dyscalculia makes it difficult for me to read a clock (and it's not worth my time).
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No, you shouldn't pass exams if you are an idiot - and if you do take them, don't expect a special treatment because of your stupidity.
And no, as I said people with diagnosed disability are a different matter.
Hopefully that clarifies it for you.