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Can't prove environmental issues if you don't have the data (mander.xyz)

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[-] pack@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 days ago

It is bad. But its sooooo on fucking brand. If there isn't some "respected body" to suggest what you did is bad, then you did nothing wrong. He doesn't hate climate science past it stops him from doing what he wants. But if you can frame it in a way that motivates people against him (less fisheries means less sport fishing, less wild areas means less hunting, no snap benefits means more crime) you nip away at his base, and he doesnt have a ton of support. its marginal vs the voting public, even in midterms.

[+] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com -15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Whoa whoa whoa. "No SNAP == more crime"? 🤬 That's some self-hate prop BS, but I can understand how it feels factual. 😢

edit: I apologize, it was very late and I didn't phrase that well enough. These "crimes" are labeled such by the oppressor class and are not real crime. "Stealing" food to eat? Fuck off ”leaders", not a crime.

My sleep-deprived intent was to simply point out the perils of simplification in its broadening of interpretation by paring down specificity, TBH

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 22 points 3 days ago

when people are forced to choose starvation or shoplifting, there’s not a great deal of choice there

it’s not self hate: it’s an acknowledgment that SNAP is survival, and people will find a way to survive with or without it… without it, it’s just far less fair and measurable

[-] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Shoplifting, especially food, is only a "crime" to those who hoard it (vs feeding people, etc) until they get their ransom —and even then, it's still not enough.

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 0 points 3 days ago

i don’t think you understand what the word “crime” means

[-] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 days ago

Aw, sweetie...

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 3 days ago

No SNAP == more crime"? 🤬 That's some self-hate prop BS

On the contrary. The vast majority of crime is the result of poverty and social desperation.

"Criminals" aren't a separate breed of contemptible human. They're mostly regular people doing what they feel they have to in order to make it through the day/week/month/year/life.

It stands to reason that crimes of desperation such as shoplifting groceries, petty enrichment crimes, and drug use will happen more often when people lose their lifelines to barely being able to feed themselves and their families.

That's not a "poor people are criminal scum" thing.

It's a "the vast majority of crime is a result of poverty and other social issues putting regular people into difficult situations where they're more likely to have to/think they have to break the law to get by" thing.

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

"Criminals" aren't a separate breed of contemptible human. They're mostly regular people doing what they feel they have to in order to make it through the day/week/month/year/life.

True, and when politicians say they are “tough on crime” and other shit that suggests some people are just “bad criminals”, all they’re really doing is spouting racist dog whistles.