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Why must we be done this way?
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And this is how we reached the point where sleep is more common in a classroom than anything else. They should make the material interesting enough that people won't have to resort to other stuff
I know what dopamine (the joy hormone which the body uses as a "reward") is. Since the body uses it as a "reward" if school gives students that, then students will like school
Did you hear what I said about dopamine being the "joy hormone" and used as a "reward". Your body gives out happy hormones like this after an exercise and other good stuff for you (including school work if it is interesting)
And don't you tell me that knowledge isn't interesting. For something to be interesting (by my definition) it must give you knowledge.
Girls twerking on TikTok is not interesting - the way Hitler died is
Memes are not interesting (unless they contain important info)
These may produce dopamine in other ways but they are not interesting
I could be considered "tech savvy", I know a bit of C/PHP and a lot of shell script. Explain ro me how I could learn that without a computer (I'm also self-taught)
As I said, sleep is something that pupils prefer to schoolwork. Get schoolwork above a bar that low and then we can talk. Amyway, it just needs to be interesting enough that students won't feel a need to check social media
Way more than half. Let's separate dumb phones from smart phones. Even smart phones weren't all that capable for a long time.
Please don't learn about how Hitler died through Tiktok. Befriend your librarian and read it in a book.
I dont use tiktok, I hate the app
You used Tiktok as an example for something that is more interesting than learning. (Of course it's more interesting than learning, it's digital crack cocaine.)
That's downright ridiculous. The most important skill for a teacher is an ability to effectively impart knowledge and in order to make students listen and remember, you need to make them interested.
No, they ABSOLUTELY don't. If I'm watching a fascinating TED Talk at home, I don't need anyone to make my favourite tv show boring in order for me to pay attention. That's not how attention works. For someone who seems at least dimly aware of the existence of dopamine, you seem remarkably confused about the effects of a lack of it.
So restrictions are your only tools? I really hope you're not a teacher or a parent, because your ideas seem not just ineffective but actually borderline abusive.
Ignoring what we're fighting about, just think of what you said there. You are saying (correct me if I'm wrong) that we should just not allow people with opinions that contradict you to not have any power
Sorry if I came off rude or I'm putting words in your mouth but stuff like that is not ideas I take lightly. I think it's a threat to democracy
EDIT: I also hate stuff like this that directly attacks the person with the ideas. I have noticed that the replies to you became a lot ruder after you said that (probably it rubbed off.) I thing it is important to be calm in a discussion
Back to the topic
Teachers regularly put informational videos (including TED talks) on in the classroom. It never becomes less interesting because it's forced upon me - if anything their a nice change of pace
Can you please elaborate. What "mistakes" did you make and what do you do now (also please elaborate on the "mistakes" society made)
Also please elaborate on the "effect"
No one should be basing policy decisions on opinions anyway. Those should be based off facts and data.
It was supposed to be an easy to understand example of information being imparted in a more efficient way because it's made interesting, not a one to one comparison. I felt that "listening to the teacher explain passionately and engagedly about the industrial revolution" was a bit clunky and on the nose.
I guess I underestimated how literal I have to be when dealing with someone who can't even imagine that pedagogy other than deprivation works.
No, those mistakes have likely been mostly from increasing the temptation to goof off on their phones by boring them.
Hey, I fell asleep halfway through your comment. Can you make it more engaging for me?
I apologize, but your comments started stuoid and the devolved into ignorant nonsense, and thus poor other fella keeps engaging you like you're capable of honest debate.
Education has never been about being more interesting than games or entertainment, and you sound like a nitwit for even suggesting it. Teachers are tasked with educating, and the #1 preventable reason for kids falling behind isn't "entertain me more!" . . . it's shit parenting and upbringing.
Kids lack impulse control worse than anyone -- taking away cell phones is an absolute no-brainer.
You said it better than I could
Make the material more interesting? Buddy, it's school not Qanon.
I find a lot of knowledge interesting. Being interesting involves knowledge
I think this has more to do with sleep deprivation. I can probably count the number of days I got a full night's rest while in high school and college on one hand. Rather than making classes more interesting (though they could do this as well I guess), they should focus on not completely overwhelming the students with homework, although I'll admit that was more of a college thing.