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[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 38 points 1 year ago

There is nothing in this that reflects the title. It's nothing more than passive propaganda. They are relying on people to just read the title and not open the link.

What is actually said is:

And let me just end by saying that this reflects the political reality that nations are sovereign. Nations decide themselves, and Ukraine has of course the right to decide its own path. And it's up to Ukraine and NATO Allies to decide when Ukraine becomes a member. Russia cannot veto membership for any sovereign independent state in Europe.

[-] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago

Actually he also said (in the link):

“The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.”

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

Some Presidents should stick to declaring only things they have control over.

[-] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 1 year ago

Some NATO officials should stick to avoiding nuclear holocaust over some theoretical pissing contest.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago

There is only one country that is constantly threatening a nuclear attack. That country is not in NATO.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

There is only one country that is constantly threatening a nuclear attack. That country is not in NATO.

The only country in the world with an official "first strike" nuclear policy is the United States.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk -1 points 1 year ago

Not arguing there. But this was 80 years ago. You would think that making threats of this nature would be something that you would show restraint considering we have a history.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

The U.S. is the only country on the planet that has a first-strike policy, i.e., that as a standing matter threatens to use nukes. This is not 80 years ago, this is right now.

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[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 1 year ago

There is only one country that used nukes against a live target, ever, and they did it twice, to civilian population centers in the middle of active peace negotiations.

There is only one country with nuclear capabilities deployed in over 80 countries under its direct control. There is only one country that has unilaterally pulled out of every nuclear treaty in history. There is only one country that publishes news articles about and has leadership in press conferences talking about winning nuclear war and about developing mini nukes. There is only one country working to undermine the MAD doctrine. There is only one country that just sent a nuclear-armed submarine to one its vassal states as a show of willingness.

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[-] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You are mistaken. The US is in NATO. Unless you mean to tell me their 1000 military bases encircling Russia and China are somehow not a provocation?

[-] xNIBx@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So you would be ok if Turkey says "we only invaded those greek islands because they had greek military bases in them"? I am just wondering, since when having military bases(your own or of allies), in your own sovereign, internationally recognized territory is an acceptable casus belli for you.

Would you be ok if the US invaded Cuba, if Cuba had russian bases? Is this what you are saying? How something like this justifies invasion?

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk -1 points 1 year ago
[-] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

wut Like... name all of the US foreign military bases??

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

Oh you hate US Imperialism? Name every troop smuglord

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty positive even the u.s military struggles to know where all of its military bases are.

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[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

Due to the sensitive and often classified nature of this information, there is no comprehensive list with the exact number or location of all bases, stations and installations. The total number of foreign sites with installations and facilities that are either in active use and service, or that may be activated and operated by American military personnel and allies, is just over 1,000.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

squidward-nervous jesus fuck thats a full digit more than I would have guessed

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk -1 points 1 year ago

Sooo no names eh. I don't believe there is any tbh.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The number of around 1000 US foreign military bases is well collaborated, even by US professors and researchers. The existence of organisations like AFRICOM and US foreign troop deployments to countries like Germany and South Korea is well known. It's not a matter of belief.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk -1 points 1 year ago

The fact you have to ask questions your own intellect.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

pigpoop debate pervert

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

smuglord

Lmao go back to reddit you debatelord loser

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk -1 points 1 year ago

When the argument becomes ridiculous, trolling is allowed. The argument was lost when there was an attempt to accuse the US of threatening with nukes.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Debate pervert

[-] axont@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Naval Facility Okinawa is one of the more controversial. There's also Fort Magsaysay in the Philippines, along with others in the region. The US really does have China surrounded on multiple fronts.

The largest American overseas base is Camp Humphreys in South Korea, which comprises of over 500 individual buildings and cost $11 billion.

[-] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Name 1000 military bases? How about viewing the major ones: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyafNUuWIAA_Iz9.jpg

Of course you'll now say there's something wrong with the picture and lalala your way out.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk -1 points 1 year ago

OFC I don't care. Russia has troops in Belarus waiting to attack Ukraine.

[-] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thank you for proving to be a jingoist wilful varlet.

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