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Family of kidnapped Israeli shares video of her abduction by Hamas
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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They even kidnapped germans. Any% loose all support worldwide.
Edit: Shani Louk is allegedly alive in a Gaza Hospital.
They even killed them - ~~and paraded a dead woman’s naked body around~~
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/woman-paraded-hamas-fighters-victims-family-urge-people-for-her-whereabouts-2446055-2023-10-08
The murdering of foreign civilians exposes the Hamas claims of only targeting „occupiers“ as a lie. They went on a murdering spree.
I agree with you, this will cost them a lot of international support.
Thing is, I don't think it will cost them support from anyone who's still actually supporting them. These terrorists operate with the stated goal of provoking a war between islam and the entire western world and forcing moderate Muslims in western or westernized states to choose a side.
Wait did you think Hamas didn't consider the Israelis as the "occupiers"?? Then who?
Never ever thought I would end up defending Israel like that, but to your question:
Hamas constantly claims that they do not target Israeli civilians, which is, by now, evidently a lie.
Wut? Source?
Hamas decided Israeli civilians were fair game in the mid 90's after a jewish extremist shot up a mosque
If you just woke up from a 30 year coma please read up before defending any side here
They never say she was dead. Am I missing something?
She's very dead, I saw the unblurred video. Gunshot to the head.
Being dead is already implied when they say „the body of a woman“. If you are talking about a living woman, you refer to them as „a woman“.
It could be an unconscious body.
That wouldn’t be a body. A body is a corpse.
They would just say an unconscious woman if she were still alive.
Fair enough. I assumed her state was unknown, but I didn't watch the video. So I was, in fact, missing something.
Yeah of course they are blurring an unconscious person out of a video like that.
Yeah why was she naked?! This is still bad, you know this right?
Probably raped.
It is absolutely horrible. I'm in no way trying to diminish that.
They didn't know she was German, but yea that quickly wrapped up a lot of support I had for Palestine
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaza-israels-open-air-prison-15
It's important to remember how we got here
As if 2007 was the start of issues.
The start of the issue was when Europeans wanted Jewish people out of Europe after WW2 so they stole a shit ton of land that's important to three different religions from the Palestinians and called it Israel...
Then Israel expanding over the decades obviously didn't help
That's not what happened. There was a strong desire for a Jewish state in Palestine for hundreds of years, in the beginning of the 20th century this was accelerated through the British mandate and immigration. The real story is way more complex and your representation of it is not only wrong but also negates the agency the Jewish population living there for centuries had in creating the Jewish state.
Of course the horrors of the Holocaust had part in the decision but it was not because "Europeans wanted Jews out"
Like I said the real history is waaaaay more complex, I suggest you read up on it - the
is a got starting point.
Edit: link didn't post for some reason - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine
Unfortunately a population had been living there for thousands of years...
And they weren't stoked at being forced out at gunpoint 70 years ago.
If that was too long ago that they don't have a claim, why was a much older one good enough to found Israel?
Hell, the Jewish texts said they moved there after Egypt, why weren't they given Egypt? Why pick a random place some of their ancestors may have moved to that already had people living there at the time?
The formation of Israel and Pakistan was just a bunch of Europeans deciding religious segregation would be a good thing. It obviously wasn't and there's no reason to keep trying it. Religious ethnostates are not a good plan.
And as long as they exist (especially when one gets a mutual holy land) these wars will keep happening
Do you think the creation of Israel and Pakistan were decided by 'a bunch of Europeans' without any input from the jewish, muslims or hindus? I guess you need to read up some history first if you want to discuss these issues
Oh yeah, I'm sure those people living in India and what would become Israel loved the idea of being forced out of their ancestrial homelands of millennia...
Wait...
That's recent history, we have articles and even pictures of it happening and it was incredibly violent and people still choose death over forced removal
It was fucking ethnic cleansing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
Stop acting like those were mutual agreements
Here's a confronting question that might shed some light on you: who killed Ghandi and why?
I love how you got downvoted for posting hrw
In the context of his post, the hrw link is just whataboutism -> „but what about Israel“- and you can fuck right off with that
Both sides know they have to weaponize social media.
Woah. I don't recall doing that
They both do it. Israel a lot more so than Palestine even. It's hard to feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for the girl obviously. But also for the countless nameless Palestinians who suffered the same but never made the news.
GOP: hold my beer
Americans: let’s talk about America instead for no reason.
That you fail to see the relevancy is just a personal problem, bruv.
"Me me me me me." I don't have problems now, but thanks for caring.