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‘Murdered in cold blood’: stories emerge of Israelis killed at Gaza border
(www.theguardian.com)
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what the fuck has your comment to do with the article?
We all knew that there are also people dying in Palestine due to military operations conducted by Israel, but your whataboutism does not justify the killing of civilians by terrorists...
The fact is that Israel has been creating the conditions for this violence for decades. Hamas wouldn't even exist if Palestinians weren't the victims of an apartheid state and ethnic cleansing
yeah yeah...Israel bad, Palestine good, I got your meta now...🥱
Israel bad, Palestine bad
hamas cunts
You’re right, no point in debating with people like you.
It's okay to kill civilians if you're the government, but not if you're the rebels? Is that the logic?
no it's not, read again. and calling them "rebels" is just wrong, those hamas fuckers are terrorists, nothing else!
Israel is doing settler terrorism but you're not calling the IDF terrorists. Why is that?
easy, because they are not. Same reason I don't call Palestines terrorists, they simply aren't.
But Hamas, Hisbollah, Al Kaida, Taliban those a straight up terrorist scum.
Ehhh, you've lost me. Israel has done enough war crimes to be considered a terrorist state.
Okay hassan.
ok apartheid apologist?
no you simple fuck. I just declare terrorists like the Hamas or Al Quaida as terrorists and although both Israel and Palestine have done atrocities to each other they are both not terrorists and I don't excuse either of them of their actions!
But I won't play your degenerated meta game of Isreal bad, Palestine good or vice versa. They are both responsible for this conflict, they both can end it and they both have stupid, mostly religious, reasons for what is happening. There is no black and white in this conflict and now fuck off and let me be.
Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without saying "I don't know what I'm talking about".
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sigh okay hassan.
terrorist is loaded language. all it means is you don't like someone else's politics.
This must be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
is it because no one ever taught you what loaded language is?
I remember those videos of IDF soldiers pulling raped dead women through the streets of Telaviv while people cheered and spat on the bodies. Oh wait, I don't.
You are so fucking ignorant it’s ridiculous. What Hamas has done is bad, and fucked up. What Israel has done is bad, and fucked up. You are the only one going around saying it has to be one or the other.
And I don’t even want to see a brain dead response from you going ‘hurr durr Hamas did this now so Hamas worse’. It’s not about one being worse than the other, this isn’t an internet edgebot competition. Just shut the fuck up.
How many dead kids do you think that’s worth in retribution?
You’re right, both sides of this conflict have their own flavors of atrocities
One side just happens to be a supposed democracy with one of the most advanced armies in the world with the most destructive and deadly capabilities with endless funding.
It's two sides. But not even sides. Not even close.
One side holds 100 hostages and shoots home made rockets into a wasteland.
The other side holds 2.3 million hostages, and bombs civilians in one of the most densely populated area in the world.
It's two sides. But not even sides. Not even close
I never claimed they have symmetric capabilities and I agree that Israel holds a significantly higher burden to avoid civilian casualties due to their capability, but that doesn’t change the fact that Hamas intentionally commits atrocities. The IRA spent 30 years bombing British troops and sometimes civilians in their aim for a United Ireland and got nowhere. Hamas has only achieved the perpetuation of the suffering in Gaza and potentially the prevention of a more moderate (Saudi funded) political alternative in Gaza. I genuinely think the Saudi Israeli rapprochement is what this is all about.
Hate to break it to you, the OG IRA used violence and got most of the country in 1921. Republican groups used violence in the north in the late 60s to 70s and it improved the very real injustices facing Catholics at the time.
Violence has always been needed to change things in a meaningful way.
I’m aware of Ireland’s independence war. I don’t find the original IRA to be a comparable situation, they had wide popular support in Ireland with the exception of the north for obvious reasons. I find the Provisional IRA hardened the views of Protestants that could have otherwise been convinced that the land ownership voting system was unjust. I don’t see how their role in escalating violence in that turned Belfast and Derry into war zones helped anyone. Not everything needs a bloody revolution, political solutions do sometimes work and I think the Good Friday agreement is a good example of that.
Hate to break it to you again but peaceful methods didn't work at the start of the troubles and protestant view were already hardened. It took a lot of violence to get to a point where things changed. You can argue that political solution and peace could have happened before 98 but as for a lot of civil rights movements violence started to get things moving to a point where the oppressor has to engage in more peaceful ways.
https://www.newsweek.com/shani-louk-still-alive-mother-reveals-1833453
Not just alive, but in a hospital that Israel wants to cut off water, food, and power to...
Gaza isn't allowed to have their own utilities, so they've always been completely reliant on Israel
Every Israeli is mandated by law to serve IDF.
Not every Palestinian serves the Hamas.
That's the difference.
Housing blocks where war supplies or combatants were hiding. And only after giving warning and time for people to leave the building.
If Palestinians didn't want their children killed, they shouldn't have hidden behind them.
I can't believe someone actually think this conclusion is considered okay.
Is that what you heard from the state sponsored Israeli media? You know, since Palestine isn’t allowed to have media that represents it self? Or are you just so ignorant you take the first thing you hear and run with it?
Just to be clear: You're saying that you're fine with Israel killing children?
Fun fact: most Israelis are what you call "brown"