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submitted 1 year ago by redfern45@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net

We all know the hypocrisies of the pro- Israel stances, I’m not going into specific arguments but it’s just everywhere. Normal people seem to have bought in even quicker than they did with supporting Ukraine. it’s awful. Free Palestine.

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[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

it's nothing about individuals or "deserving" or anything moralistic. I mean that the west is fundamentally incapable of being progressive or class conscious or ending their imperialism until forced to and broken in mind and spirit. Like revolution is literally impossible until this pre-condition is met.

[-] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

Remains to be seen how much material conditions have to deteriorate before anything happens, if ever. in and of itself sufficient humiliation + sufficient poverty ≠ revolution

america definitely deserves a century of humiliation but any revolutionary movement won't be born here, best we can hope for is a weak/collapsed usa allowing something to develop in the global south

[-] axont@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

You're right. Lenin listed three prequsities for revolution in State and Revolution. There needs to be widespread economic instability, widespread distrust in typical establishment authority, and an already organized leftist movement that has a coordinated vanguard party. Simply having humiliation and poverty without the third thing gives rise to warlords, fascists, cults, etc

[-] Zodiark@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

The ruling class also has to have the inability to govern as they used to. The problem is that Israel is staying on the course with operating with more precision and repression to maintain their status quo.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

sufficient humiliation + sufficient poverty ≠ revolution

Sufficient humiliation is necessary but not sufficient. Arrogant chauvinist leftoids sure as shit ain't doing a revolution with the people of the world until they have their worldview turned upsidedown.

[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"A symptom of every real revolution” - “a rapid tenfold and even hundredfold increase in the number of representatives of the toiling and oppressed masses—who have hitherto been apathetic" - Lenin

In the meantime:

“the task of the party of the proletariat in the capitalist countries to educate the workers and build up strength through a long period of legal struggle, and thus prepare for the final overthrow of capitalism” - Mao

[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I used to think this was. Now I realize that it takes one generation to forget. See also: Baby Boomers. Their parents and grandparents saved the world, they ran it into the ground.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

The Soviets saved the world, the Greatest Generation came in late and took credit for it.

[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Sure but we conveniently forgot that communists saved us once.

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