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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

There's a slight bit growing possibility we get an actual Arab Fall (unlike the so called Arab Spring) if some of these Arab countries don't do something more than "Thoughts and Prayers".

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

Countries I think may be at risk of an arab fall if they fail to act soon: Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Gulf States

Countries I'm fairly confident are going to get pulled into this: Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Probably Egypt, Yemen and the rest of the arab world will send militants.

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Gulf States are pretty protected from Palestine related unrest since they've created stratified societies propped up by a non-Arab immigrant underclass. They might get bullied into it, but only if Saudi and Iran team up hard

Egypt and Jordan are both interesting. They've both committed to humanitarian aid for Palestine, and if/as the IOF war crimes their aid workers they're going to be pushed into retaliating or coming under intense domestic pressure.

Saudi is a 100% wildcard. It sounds like they were previously trying to normalize relations with Israel despite joining BRICS. Either they to stay mostly neutral or just give up on that in order to try and reclaim their flagging leadership of the Arab world by backing the Palestinian cause.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Considering BRICS isn't opposed to Israel existing, I don't think one position excludes the other. China's been pretty adamantly in support of a two state solution, for example.

Either Saudi Arabia is going to take this opportunity to solidify their power or someone else is (Iran?). Meanwhile, Egypt and Jordan feel like they are baiting a response to justify an invasion... Which, honestly, is a win-win for them so why not?

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Jordan isn't baiting a response. The government has been consistently pro-west for decades. However, if they stand by and do nothing then the government could be rocked by popular discontent.

Egypt, on the other hand, could be. Sisi isn't popular, but a righteous war in Palestine could secure his position. In addition, Egypt would be the ones to deal with the massive refugee crisis induced by destruction in Gaza, so they have a vested interest in limiting Israel's activity.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Jesus is Sisi still in power? Tahrir Square seems like lifetimes ago. : |

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Wonder what Turkey will do too. I imagine nothing, but is the domestic situation there volatile enough to endanger Erdogan?

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

The domestic situation is bad economically, but politically probably pretty quiet after winning the elections. However, Turkey has been clashing with the SDF recently, and the US and Turkey have attacked each other's assets "accidentally." Could be another flashpoint.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Everyone forgot about ECOWAS and Niger/Mali/Burkina Faso since the French balked and are leaving, but there could easily be a large conflict there too, perhaps one the EU fancies getting involved with. What if another country was to have a coup, anything is possible. Everything under the heavens is in utter chaos, so the situation for those wanting to make a move is excellent

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

surely this favors anti western forces heavily, the US seems like it's most committed to keeping Israel afloat and I can't imagine their lapdogs in the EU wouldn't follow.

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