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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How do yall think things will actually pan out for all Palestinians if Hamas turns out victorious? I imagine things can't go anywhere but up from the horrific position they are in now, but what will life look like for non-Muslim Palestinians/Palestinian jews? Are there any good sources I can look at that might relate to these thoughts

[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

American Intervention to restore Zionists

[-] newmou@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Like American intervention in the Korean War. I’d imagine they’ll get a UN coalition of Western countries to launch an aerial bombardment and it’ll be WW3

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's literally no way to know this. We don't know what are the thresholds where the resistance and Israel would accept a ceasefire, we don't know the actual details of the Palestinian war aims in this particular conflict, and there's always the chance Israel unleashing it's nuclear arsenal if it feels it's going to be wiped off the map (honestly, I think it's a 100% chance.)

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

100% chance of Israel unleashing its nuclear arsenal?

I figured it wouldn't be easy to tell what the aftermath might look like, but I'm just unfamiliar with the Hamas platform in general so was just curious how extreme they really are. Most of the talk specific to Hamas that I see are lib takes that I'm apprehensive to believe but then I read this which made me ask the question

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Hamas wants a single state solution for all of Palestine, governed under Islamic jurisprudence.

What I'm saying is that if the Palestinians and their allies pushed the Israelis into a pocket, either the US would intervene with boots on the ground or Israel would use nukes. I don't know where the line is, but I don't think that complete decolonization of Palestine is possible until the global balance of power shifts significantly.

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah sorry I didn't phrase my question correctly, I get what you're saying and I totally agree

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Israel will be plunged into civil war if Hamas wins. It's hard to say whether that will be good or bad for Palestinians.

Also, if Hamas wins and Fatah doesn't join the fight, I think Fatah is cooked.

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Fatah and the PA are dead letters. The agitprop I've seen claims that Fatah's armed wing is fighting with the resistance coalition, against Fatah's directives.

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

Fatah is probably cooked either way. What the fuck are they even doing right now? I saw earlier on aljazeera that Israel has effectively blockaded all the Palestinian controlled areas in the west bank. Putting up no resistence to this shit must be losing them any good will they have left.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago

imo impossible to say, for one governments often rule differently once they're in power, and for instance the PFLP/DFLP could seize leadership of the movement if they play their cards rights and luck befalls them, let alone all the other factions who may try to contest Hamas.

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the CPC was in a similar position in the 40s, junior partners in a revolutionary coalition. Now they rule China.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Exactly. National liberation is a huge opportunity for any and every communist party across the world.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

The very big difference is that the CPC governed territory and implemented land reform within that controlled territory during WWII. This is not true for the PFLP or DFLP. The closest parallel to the CPC is Hamas because Hamas controls Gaza.

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Makes sense there would be power grabs once there is a victory. Is there a general sense of where most Palestinians lie politically? I assume right now even if they are critical of Hamas, that many are just rooting for their own liberation regardless of who was the catalyst

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

palestinians (at least in gaza) don't stand for much besides wanting to be free and not be/have their children genocided rn, I don't think it's possible to gauge that.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

I have no fucking idea. If you'd asked me last week I would have told you the IDF would have crushed them in the first 24 hours. I am no longer making predictions.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Egypt takes back Gaza, Syria takes back Golan Heights, Israel is forced to give up the Negev and the West Bank, and the other Arab states decide to just give all that territory to the Palestinians so they don't have to deal with a refugee crisis? Might come with a few security guarantees

I don't imagine Hamas would be very successful at actually governing in peacetime, so civil war would probably be on the horizon unless some faction figures out how to peacefully coup religious extremists. Hamas probably knows this too, so I'd imagine they would form a coalition to remain in power.

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for this. It kinda sounds like all of that would be best case scenario, tbh.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I had a lot of hopiun when I wrote that, but judging by the state of the IOF it's not even that unlikely. US intervention is just begging for a Fattah strike on a carrier.

What I want to see happen is the Gulf States decouple from the West as O&G demand shifts southwards and eastwards. This could be a significant catalyst for that and could lead to greater Arab unity as a whole.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Impossible to say because every prediction hinges on what the US would do. And no one knows how far the US would go to rescue their proxy state.

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it sounds like no matter how badly the US might want to cling on, there are a lot of different factors at play that could prohibit that. It's just unfathomable to me to think that the US would become so strained on military resources and money that the aid to Ukraine would keep them from backing Israel in a meaningful way since we're so obsessed with war. I hope that we do just run out of resources/support for both.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Probably a civil war between secular but anti zionist factions vs genuinely antisemetic factions

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Probably not for a while. All of the resistance groups have been planning this operation under Hamas leadership for years, and I think it'll take a bit of time for the coalition to break down. Once there's some sort of ceasefire, I think that forming a singular government to represent all of Palestine (as opposed to one for Gaza and one for the West Bank) is going to be a higher priority than fighting over ideology.

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