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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Official Washington: Ukraine's funding rope ends

“You can't start planning for long-term support if you're at the end of your rope. And in financing Ukraine we are coming to the end of the rope. Today we announced $200 million and we will continue to help Ukraine as much as we can, but it will not be indefinitely,” White House spokesman John Kirby said.

As we say, no matter how much the rope twists, it will still end.

Welp they’ve decided Ukraine is all used up gotta go all in on protecting our actually important client state!

https://twitter.com/ramy_sawma/status/1712190588269847007

https://nitter.net/ramy_sawma/status/1712190588269847007

Also lmao rip bozo Zelenzsky u better hope you can smuggle yourself out before the nazis get you

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ukraine will lose to Russia and the Nazis there will push the narrative that they lost because the moment Israel was under threat, they were “stabbed in the back” by the West. Things could get really bad for Jewish folks in Ukraine real soon…

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 1 year ago

holy fuck I didn't even think of that wtf, and Zelenksy just sent out a statement of support towards Israel too...

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

I think we can start to speculate on how Zelensky gets got. Aviation adventure à la Pringles?

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 year ago

I think they're just gonna shoot him in his office and the release he offed himself out of shame for losing or something like that.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

they gonna do what ukrops love to do, and duct tape him to a pole outside and remove his pants and beat him. ukronazis love doing this weird public fetishistic torture. All politics is sexual pathology.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Please let Hamas get him during his visit

[-] ChapoKrautHaus@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Please let Hamas get him during his visit

"Ah you're doing a fake air raid alarm here, too? We do that with visitors all the time in the Ukraine..."

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

He's still rich, isn't he? At some point he'll probably fuck off to Europe and do the government in exile grift.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Is there a fascist version of "first as tragedy, second as farce," but from their shitty fascist perspective?

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

There are very few Jewish people left in Ukraine. Most of them got out a long time ago for obvious reasons.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago
[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago
[-] meth_dragon@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago
[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago

lmfao top tier pic. who is that at the very bottom by the stairs though?

[-] half_giraffe@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

That's a picture of Osama Bin Laden, from the article to the left "Anti-Soviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace"

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ah yeah ur right I didn't really pay attention to the headlines I was just looking at their faces.

[-] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

guaido-despair "I'm not even in the picture??"

[-] AbbysMuscles@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Fuckin' stellar data-laughing

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's like the Vietnam war all over again. Israel is always the number one priority for the USA.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 year ago

yeah I mean we knew this was coming but it's been speculation before hand, now we have confirmation lol

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Ukraine is so screwed without western weaponry and Intel. At the beginning of the war, before the west set up shop, Russia was knocking on the doors of Kyiv within what, two days? They're going to have to get to the negotiation table quickly, there's a real chance Ukraine becomes a landlocked country without western support.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They’re going to have to get to the negotiation table quickly

who knows if the nazis will even let them tbh.

I hope they do though, because then Russia could just start doing proxy war shit back to the US and send weapons to the resistance.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Zelenskyy, and all the liberal pro west and pro USA reformists are so screwed though. The fash will wonder what they literally sold the country and its assets for, pull an anti-Semitic stab in the back myth against Zelenskyy, and turn Ukraine into an anti EU, anti Russia isolated state of some sort. And proceed to do even worse privatization on top of that.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago

yeah gonna be a horrible place to live, even worse than now tbh.

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

turn Ukraine into an anti EU, anti Russia isolated state of some sort. And proceed to do even worse privatization on top of that.

but how long can that last? The repression and suffering will lead to an even bigger refugee exodus. Eventually the government repression will be too much for the people and having tried fascism and neo-liberalism there will only be one revolutionary ideal to try. The Communist uprising in Ukraine will happen in 2026. lathe-of-heaven

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

One day comrade, one day it will happen...

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If Russia sends weapons to the Palestinians, you just know the Americans will become apoplectic over it, completely ignoring the hypocrisy that for 1.5 years all our politicians openly talk about giving tanks and F-16s to Russia’s enemy.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

I wonder what concessions they'd even be able to extract at this point. Russia is going to annex the russian speaking provinces either way. Let Zelenskyy keep his doomed post instead of installing a puppet?

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

there's a real chance Ukraine becomes a landlocked country without western support.

that "real chance" is over 100:1

[-] RonPaulyShore@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

hey could you unpack this vietnam allusion? i think i've seen similar suggestions in these thread before and i'm not wellversed in the history-- are you suggesting that the US rerouting material support? to the ME from vietnam was a proximate cause of the usa losing s vietnam?

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

In a few weeks when peace negotiations start to become a serious prospect remember that all it took for us to get peace was a new war for the US to peg its MIC to.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Oops. Guess containing Russian aggression isn't that important after all.

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