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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 95 points 1 year ago

They called what China was doing a genocide. They called Russia doing military actions a genocide. They threw the term genocide around willy-nilly. Now that there's an actual genocide going on, it's not genocide, it's Israel's right to defend itself.

[-] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

::: spoiler say the line, Sartre!

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not even sure who decided that China was even motivated to commit a "genocide" in Xinjiang. How does that even fit into the broader CPC ideology other than from the perspective of "China bad?"

Ideology drives genocide, not the other way around. What indicated that CPC ideology is against minorities? Is it the affirmative action for minority groups? The disproportionate investment into infrastructure for poorer provinces with significant ethnic minority populations?

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

How does that even fit into the broader CPC ideology other than from the perspective of "China bad?"

It doesn't. Liberals aren't interested in reality.

[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll give a realy realy brief summary here but in the 1990-2010 era ETIM began terrorist attacks in Xinjiang, the CPC did nothing but to increase "security" measures. This didn't realy work at all. At the same time in 1999 the CPC banned the Falun gong which is a scam cult from the 80's. Then since around 2010 China started the aggressive re-education + prison campaign as ETIM had grown to import and export terrorists to the rest of the ME and later including ISIS.

So by the time we get to the Xi era(2016-now) China suddenly becomes this huge threat and the US realizes they can use Xinjiang now given the US had moved on from Iraq/Afghanistan mostly, being mean to Muslims was "uncool" again.

So because the US is realy about freedom and all it is realy bad when you ban literaly anything. The western narrative was simple, a ban on a scam cult is the same as religious persecution and the evidence later became the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.

It is true the Falun gong and other scam cults were banned, but China allows complete freedom of religious practice as long as it falls outside scam cult legislation i.e but you can't promote anything that goes against government legislation regarding health and education. Also you'll get the government eyes on you if you start spewing convenient US "propaganda". As a result China does keep an eye out to make sure religious practice is within their acceptable scope.

So the Xinjiang genocide narrative was based originaly on Adrien Zens shit paper on population growth. It was immidiately debunked and discredited(so much he is a joke now even on reddit) because he made a mistake as he infamously doesn't know Chinese and didn't bother with proper translation/proof reading?

Anyway then the narrative shifted towards CULTURAL genocide. This was more substantial, they pointed to ghost Mosques and the re-education as proof. For the uneducated it may even seem reasonable since they may have heard of the Chinese Cultural Revolution but have literaly no idea what it was so assume its bad(for wrong reasons). Obviously for Americans the idea of the government actualy restricting "freedom" of expression/organization in any way is a war crime.

In any case now in the post-COVID era honestly it isn't even genocide anymore but just pearl clutching about forced labor etc.

[-] StalinwasaGryffindor@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

One thing to note about China banning Falun Gong is that it was in response to adherents committing murder-suicides by burning themselves and their children alive. There are a couple true anon episodes that go more into it

[-] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

As a result China does keep an eye out to make sure religious practice is within their acceptable scope.

Why can't we have nice things over here sicko-wistful

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

uhhhg this is so true and it makes me want to barf... knives... into the eyeballs of every single person who says anything supportive of israel.

[-] Bnova@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

They're still callings things genocide just not learning what the word means, I cursed someone out for calling Palestinians who are resisting occupation purveyors of genocide.

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