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Irrelevant. Let's assume that Hamas did indeed target schools, hospitals, etc. That's awful, but it doesn't justify what Israel is and has been doing to the Palestinian people. Two wrongs don't make a right, it just makes more wrong.
Why can't we agree someone did something horrible without bringing whataboitisms into it?
whataboitism is when you refer to a completely unrelated issue.
Example:
"Why did you hit him?"
"Well, Johnny over there hit his brother two years ago!" - unrelated, whataboitism.
"He stabbed me, stole my wallet, and tried to run away" - a normal explanation, even though it is too refers to an action of a different person.
With this easy guide you too will be able to understand complex topics in no time
"Why did you hit him? I caught you red handed!"
"I didn't hit him."
"Your phone literally says '2:00: hit Bob in the face.'"
"Alright, alright, let's just pretend I hit him. But that doesn't justify what his cousin said about me last week!"
There was an attack on civilians, it targeted children, it killed children, the people who did it are pretending they didn't, the user here is also pretending the attrocities didn't happen, and even they it did, "he started it so nyah."
Aside from all of the things that detracts from the conversation, is there something it adds?
Nobody is saying what Hamas did was acceptable, but a lot of people like you will say any stupid bullshit to distract people from talking about ongoing war crimes being committed by our allies.
I have seen people on Lemmygrad celebrating what Hamas did and talking about how they hoped the hostages get tortured. It is not accurate to claim nobody is saying what Hamas did was acceptable.
Mia Khalifa is certainly celebrating it.
So is BLM Chicago, and the greater movement doesn't seem to object.
Brooklyn College students held a vigil for the dead; others went to protest the vigil, screaming the whole time that it was "justified."
Londoners vandalized a Jewish neighborhood. Australians are chanting "gas the Jews." New Yorkers at the "pro-Palestinian" marches gleefully waved swastikas.
A group of something like 30 Harvard clubs issued a statement saying Israel was entirely at fault for the attack, didn't mention Hamas at all.
Most of this happened before any reprisals. They're not complaining about reprisals, they're glorifying the violence.
Lots of people are saying it was acceptable, lots of people are celebrating it, and they're not all too subtle about why.
Someone said Hamas did a bad thing, so your first response was "oh yeah, well Israel..." Which tells me you do in fact support Hamas and what they did
It must be comforting to have a simple worldview.
You must know since you support terrorists just because your ideology demands it
Nobody suggested anything justified anything, and nobody wants you to make an assumption. Here's hard evidence of the thing you don't believe, and you're trying to distract from it with an unrelated point.
IDF lies all the time. This could be real. But you'd be a fool to just believe them.
So you're living in the reality where you assume everything the IDF says is false until and including when Hamas releases video confirming it. Hamas shows video of how it victimized civilians, but makes a statement saying it didn't, and your approach to epistemology is still "well, the IDF said it was true, so it's probably false, I'll wait until I've seen more conclusive evidence."
Kbin is exhausting. Fuck, I might have to go back to reddit...
I simply don't take the word of any major government/ intelligence agency at face value. Here in reality we just call it reality. Because there's not more than one reality.
There's been no reliable corroboration of all these claims. In fact there's been a good number of them debunked. Remember that. And stop letting yourself get wound up by propaganda. You will be fine. Having been where you are right now though. I would say take a break from things for the night or for a day. These things when you're emotional have a way of starting a toxic spiral. It's never good and the only way to escape it is to step away.
Quick edit to add I went back and refresh and read up on some more of the thread. Yeah you need to take some time and focus on yourself man. Mia Khalifa wasn't celebrating it. I actually read what she said. it's a shame what happened/ is happening to her. But what she said was fairly benign. But you aren't dealing with all the information here. And that's never a good place to be emotionally.
The IDF isn't putting out photos that are going to cause terror. Wow, big shocker.
Many of the Israeli claims are, conveniently, corroborated by videos Hamas posted, but they still love to turn around and say none of it ever happened.
Israeli civilians crying for the return of their loved ones are not propagandists.
If you don't believe anything anybody says, talking about it seems kind of pointless.
Man keep reading, she was giddy.
Why should they. When they have people like yourself ready to go on adnauseam without proof.
No one here is saying the attack wasn't deplorable. And that what Hamas did what was right or justified. You're still misrepresenting Khalifa too. I don't agree with what she said. But the fact remains the very first thing you said basically gave away the game. You really have no confirmation of anything you're claiming for the most part, and are running on Raw emotion. Reply if you want. I probably won't read it. I'm sure you're getting enough hate and aggression spewed back your way in return at all the hate and aggression your spewing. This is a very tragic situation.
Honestly if there were some way, I would like to see all of Hamas and netanyahu's goons rounded up. Preferably locked down somewhere together. Maybe someone could go back in a week to see who's left. And take care of that. But at least the public would be safe. Israel has terrorized Palestinians disproportionately for decades. Violence doesn't really justify violence however. It only continues it. Israel is the one with the power to bring about change. But this is what they do. Lie commit war crimes and basically genocide. Yeah Hamas is in great either. The hardcore want to see Israel wiped from the map. But they aren't Palestine. Plenty of Palestinians just want to be able to live a life and not have to be constantly afraid of Israeli brutality. Israelis just want to live their life too. But their government keeps them too terrified to think rationally. And they keep putting the problem in power. Exacerbating the situations that lead to the terror that's been getting them killed. It's Israel's problem to solve. Hopefully with some of the recent polling going against Netanyahu. Perhaps they're ready to start ousting some of these far right radicals that have been heavily pushing this situation.
Israel is committing war crimes and your head is lodged firmly in your buttocks.
Fuck Hamas and all the leftists terrorist apologists
I’m sorry, until your country is willing to apologize for killing innocent civilians from my country for no other reason than revenge, you can go stick your dick in a pumpkin 🎃
I’m sorry but being a whiny little bitch doesn’t allow anyone to commit genocide.
I have a used pumpkin for you as well. Don’t worry, it’s just been used by your friend.
Be careful before you give everyone who supports the Israeli people the middle finger