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I thought the US had free speech but I keep hearing about all of these anti war protestors being arrested. What gives? Are people lying when they say the US has free speech?
You have the right to call minorities slurs and advocate for genocide against socially determined "bad guys".
You can't point out bad things were doing or ask us to top doing them.
It's really pretty simple, you've got the right to free speech until it's inconvenient to the status quo.
A kind of spirited debate in very narrowly defined constraints if you will.
Debs was imprisoned for being against WW1
You have the right to free speech as long as you don't disrupt or threaten the ruling class
It's fortunately better than the european countries still
In what way? People are being arrested and brutalized for protesting. What is Europe doing that's somehow worse than that?
Well the protestors are European which sucks for them
Most of the US protests have managed to avoid any serious problems. In France they're outright banned and that has been enforced liberally. Same in some german cities
Most of them. Except this one that ended in 500 arrests. Oh and the one at Bernie's office that ended in a dozen arrests. Oh and the one in New York that had the mayor calling everyone terrorists. And countless others where there have been arrests and brutalizations at the hands of the police.
But yeah if you ignore all of those then sure
Our cops get to break protesters' bones and gas them with impunity. Most serious protests have a lot of serious problems inflicted on-site, and we still get these mass arrests afterward, not to mention all of the "detentions" which are just arrests that the cops know they have no pretense of crime to justify
Lol remember when the Chicago police department was confronted with the fact they have, and have had, and still have, a black bag, gitmo style, off the books interrogation and torture site for decades
No?
Just me? Ok
Now, is that the same Chicago PD that assassinated Fred Hampton with at least 90 rounds of indiscriminate gunfire through a wall where they knew he was lying unconscious after having him drugged?
My memory is a little foggy. Is it that bunch of coward pigs pictured below, smiling as they carry Fred Hampton's [image CW: corpse]?
In the people's republic of Northern Illinois the penalty for attempting to feed school kids a free breakfast is state sanctioned murder
Everything about the story reminds me of how the original version of the little mermaid takes pains to specify every step Ariel takes on land to her feels like she is walking on broken glass.
But one of the pieces of glass that sticks in my metaphorical foot is the middle class kid, O'Neal, I originally assumed must have been an undercover police officer that sold Huey down the river and drugged him. Every few years I'll pull up some Malcolm speeches or even King and I cannot imagine living around any of that and having none of it soak in on some level. It is easy to hate him for the unspeakable crime he committed, sure. And I would find it impossible to not do so.
You just read the interview with him and it's so sad how much he must have suffered before he eventually killed himself, slowly understanding just how bad the result of just doing what the FBI told him to do to avoid getting charged with whatever dumb petty crime they swept him up in was.
Shakespeare ain't got shit on the tragedy of modernity
I feel like all this would do in France would change the protest from "okay I was gonna set like ...some cars on fire but now I'm setting all the cars on fire; the police called the firefighters for back up, in unrelated news someone has filled the fire engine's internal 500 gallon reservoir with oops all gasoline water replacement fluid. "
I fucken love France for their protests. Uncritical support for protesting for the right to protest
The high court in France ruled pro-Palestine protests can't be outright banned actually (although they initially tried), but that'd they stop any "pro-Hamas" or "antisemitic" demonstrations. I guess I can already see that being abused though