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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

anyone else get the feeling that we're on the brink of a proper world war 3?

and here i am, just kinda sat here posting half cut lol
wonder if people in the past felt like this

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Going to say it again, future historians will consider WWIII to have already started by this point, just as many historians consider the Japanese invasion of China in 1937 to be the beginning of WWII.

[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

fair
feels kinda fucked that i'm sat on my sofa a few vodkas down, just listening to some friends play a game of d&d while the powers that be are gearing up for an apocalyptic war

[-] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago

We will avoid ww3 by calling it a multi-national military action.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

A series of kinetic events

[-] blight@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Temporal-spatial concentration of bruh moments

[-] SpookyVanguard64@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I think at this point if Iran attacks Israel directly (or even indirectly), then things could very quickly snowball into something that normal people will recognize as a world war. So I'd say that we're very close to the brink, but as has already been mentioned, if WW3 comes to pass then historians in the future will probably say that it's already ongoing and we just haven't recognized it yet.

[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 59 points 1 year ago

"what were you doing when world war three started?"
"i was posting on hexbear"

doomer

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

The first 8 months of WW2 in Europe was literally called the 'Phoney War', historically its wild how fast shit can hit the fan while people living in that time never see it coming

[-] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

The Phony War? That sounds grand!

[-] Trustmeitsnotabailou@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

I honestly think America would get smoked badly. One air craft carrier gone and Americas power projection would plummet.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

I imagine it would be similar to Israel on Oct 8th, sheer panic and flailing

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

They might have, but without the 24 hour news cycle, they probablynjust saw it in the papers and had a proper chat at work, then got on with their livea instead of F5ing til their joints ached

[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

If anything I wish I was this optimist about it.

Unless China decided to change course in the last 24-48h when I wasn't looking there wont be World War 3 when the actual relevant world powers decide to sit out. The US surely wont escalate in Ukraine if it means choosing between that and Israel and likewise Russia wont risk another front until at least they make significant progress in Ukraine so that will take months if not years too.

So the world looks at China and as long as they stay away like they have there is relatively low risk here. I said before Israel is as afraid of this war as people thought and the only thing lacking is US approval.

Meanwhile I absolute hate to say it but US foreign policy at least when it comes to enforcing their imperialist interests is still getting their way over everyone else.

Xi meets US senators then immediately after Schumer has the audacity to lecture China on their response( “I raised with President Xi the unfolding atrocities carried out against Israel and the need for the world community to stand together against terrorism and with the Israeli people, and pointedly requested from President Xi that the Chinese Foreign Minister strengthen their statement; they did."). Then US imposes further chip sanctions almost as if to say take your bilateral trade and shove it. Just because it isn't "effective" in material terms doesn't mean Xi and the CPC wasted time and their reputation on this shit.

China invites Borrell as the US vetoes UN resolutions and Israel bombs the hospital.

I have nothing to say here except with deep disgust that Chinese FP has been an absolute shit show and extremely embarrassing, alas there wont be WW3 at this pace.

[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems we are at an impasse, but I thought the same thing about the US domestic situation three years ago when the cops declared war on the abolitionists. It seemed like there was no way things could continue without one of these factions being utterly destroyed, but that isn't what happened.

There is the potential this thing could just simmer down again with no resolution. With new atrocities and injustices just heaped on to the pile. The northern half of Gaza annexed, tens of thousands dead, and the remaining Gazans either expelled to the Sinai or doomed to a slow death of deprivation in the rubble of the lower Gaza strip. This is the objective, and any attempt to intervene will cause the West to lash out even more hysterically. But there is always a chance cowardice prevails and the status quo remains intact.

[-] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks, Status Quo Joe.

[-] OnlyTrueLiberal@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Sure seems like it. posadist-nuke

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