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[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago

I don't understand when and why Brave became such a household name. It seems so many people use it and swear by it, but its reputation is "suspicious" at best.

Just use Firefox. It's been around way, way longer and it doesn't use the Chromium engine. Google doesn't need more of a monopoly on the internet.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

But what's wrong with non Chrome Chromium based browsers?

(Just give me downvotes, I don't care if my question is stupid)

[-] Goodman@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well Chrome(ium) has almost all of the browser market share and google is trying to push something called web environment integrity which would implement a sort of certification system where web servers evaluate the authenticity of the client. If you extrapolate that idea a bit further it boils down to "we won't serve you content if we don't like your browser, device, OS, etc". Which I would consider as hostile to the open but rapidly closing internet as we know it.

Edit: I forgot to make my point lol. Firefox is a completely different browser engine from the chromium based browsers which is why you see a lot of people recommending firefox because they don't comply with web integrity. I don't think it's working though because this is something only the techbros and the cybersisters care about while everyone else just goes about their day.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[-] NGnius@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

Chromium is still controlled by Google, so having an overwhelming market share of Chromium-based browsers reduces competition and increases Google's control of the market's position and future. Using Firefox (and Safari, if it were not locked to a single ecosystem) reduces that threat.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

When we say "controlled", that's still only accounting for the primary fork, right?

As long as it's open source, it feels like the idea is that the day Google pushes "feat(): Users now automatically have $1 sent to Google a day" commit, someone creates a "chromium-nongooglefucked" fork repository from the prior commit, and everyone uses that.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago
[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

It just means if they want to do something bad then they can

If Google wanted to they could ban VPNs on all Chromium browsers and all the forks downstream would have to comply

More likely they can make it so only verified websites will load and down the line charge to be verified. It kills the open internet and the ability for anyone to make a website/host it where they want

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago
[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

It's not a stupid question, some people just don't know.

Mainly it's because:

  1. Chromium holds too much market share which is bad for the health of the Web.
  2. Chromium is controlled by Google which is concerning because they have been known to plant trackers even in software that shouldn't have them.
  3. Chromium is inherently less secure, it contains features that might seem nice but are extremely risk to give access to websites i.e. letting websites access Bluetooth.

There are probably plenty more reasons but these are the big ones, and of coarse this is a simplification, in reality things are always a bit more complicated.

[-] thirstyhyena@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Web dev here. Regardless of my opinion, I need to make sure my web projects work on chrome because of market share.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I think if Firefox can find a way to have full parity with chrome extensions, that might be a big shift. I've talked to more than one person that has a specific extension they rely on that they can't duplicate with Firefox options. They have many of the big names, but also some holes

[-] Contend6248@feddit.de 9 points 11 months ago

It's the other way around in my experience

[-] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Genuinely curious. What extensions are stopping people from moving to Firefox?

[-] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago

Not OP, (and Firefox is still my main), but I keep Chromium-based browsers around for Ichigo, an addon which automatically translates raw manga - which is a godsend for avid manga readers like myself who frequently run out of existing translated manga to read. There's also Scan Translator which works in a similar way, but sadly Firefox has nothing like them.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

In my opinion best bet is ungoogled chromium for any extensions or applications that utilize chromium.

[-] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

I just spent awhile trying to switch from Vivaldi to Floorp before going back. It just doesn't work as smoothly, things like tabs wouldn't save properly between sessions, pinning tabs doesn't prevent you from closing them, UI elements would disappear, etc.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

I use it as my YouTube/spotify browser because the ad block just works. Firefox is janky because I have other extensions running that screw up playback on some sites (this has gotten a lot better but I still just use brave out of habit)

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

The only real problem I ever had with Firefox was this privacy option that would disable auto playback on sites like Twitch and TikTok but that was a setting I wasn't even aware of. Other than that, I rarely ever have an issue with FF outside of web dev when it doesn't yet support some cutting-edge web API feature.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

Yea, it was something with various extensions I had going. I'm not blaming Firefox at all. I love Firefox. Just easier to use the other browser on the occasions when my configuration causes issues than try to troubleshoot it.

[-] soupuos@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago

I've had issues with add-ons on some sites too. For those times I just use a different Firefox profile (each has its own set of add-ons and settings :D)

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

That's a good idea.

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