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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
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English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

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Links and Stuff


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Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

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Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

if china does nothing im becoming a fucking maoist

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

China will do nothing. It is not really in their interest here to do something, as it doesn't really further their aims in any direct way, while potentially exposing them to a proxy conflict with the U.S. If China goes to war, it will be with the U,S. directly, not because of something going on in the Middle East or Africa.

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

if they had an internationalist bone in their body they would fucking try, even just an economic sanction would be something

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is some silly shit right here.

I am disappointed as well, but you are advocating for a nuclear world power to commit to adventurism. I don't even agree with @the_kid@hexbear.net that China doesn't care. China is simply not in a position militarily to do anything about what is going on in Gaza, even if they would like to as a point of diplomatic or military prestige.

If you want to be mad at someone be mad at, be mad at Iran, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, or any of the other countries that have been sabre rattling for decades about the Palestinian cause and are not doing anything now that the rubber has hit the road, not that they are in much better positions militarily (outside of Hezbollah or Egypt).

It does China no favors internationally to commit to an Afghanistan, and moreso it does them no favors to operate far outside their actual region of military power. You wanna be a Maoist? 'No investigation, no right to speak.'

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

its not adventurism to try to stop a genocide. This isn't some kid wanting to just start shooting border cop. This is a matter of doing one's duty to try to help. Organizing relief efforts is something China is good at, and im pretty sure they are trying, but its not enough in my eyes.

I guess its very knee-jerk to blame china, especially when the Arab states could be helping out a lot more.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

China is doing literally everything they can diplomatically to stop the genocide outside of abdicating altogether from the U.N. Perhaps they could sanction Israel, but as we've seen, sanctions do absolute dick to a war effort, especially one waged with direct U.S. backing. That said, no aid is getting in regardless of who it comes from.

It is absolutely adventurism to commit militarily to a region that you do not have a secure base in and have no prior history of operating within. It was a mistake for the Soviets and it would be a mistake now. The Palestinians will have to live and die by their own power, as it always was going to be. Fortunately, I'm pretty sure this Israeli ground invasion is adventurism for them as well, as it is completely opposite everything they've been planning around the last three decades.

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

thank you comrade, thats some fact to quell my rage

I guess it was a mistake from the soviets, but it still helped people all over. Cuba, Nicaragua, and Algeria are some. But China isn't nearly as militarized as the soviets (although they should be), so i guess thats true too.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's ok to be mad, but tempering your rage and making your hate pure is important.

It wouldn't surprise me if there has been some level of black market weapons distribution from China to Palestine (especially with the number of Chinese AK's and anti-material rifles I've seen over there), but that is likely going to be the extent of their support. A different era for sure.

But what this conflict is doing is lighting what was left of America's diplomatic capital in the Middle East on fire. Not that they necessarily need it, but there will likely be some level of political shift that goes on in the Middle East. What that means and how it will play out, idk, to predict that requires a level of knowledge that I do not have, but this isn't a good look to be sure.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Most likely, China will just help Russia and Iran behind the scenes. Expecting China to do something that not even Russia or Iran has yet done is foolish. This is like complaining the Soviet Union didn't send troops into Vietnam to kick out the French and Americans.

[-] ilyenkov@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago
[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Mao would not have had China do anything either. There is some wild shit being said from sorrow in this thread.

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah but I like communal farming and hot chile peppers so Mao is cool with me

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

this club is depressing

[-] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

I think you mean when, not if

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

nah fam i have some misplaced sense of hope still left in me

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