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We do this all the time. Video games are a big one. For example, some absolute freaks on this site defend Dark Souls 2 and Final Fantasy X-2
My copy of X-2 is older than some Hexbears
I feel this in my bones
lol remember disc resurfacers?
I've tried 3 times and never managed to get more than a couple hours into it. If Dark Souls 2 is like a fan-game that misses the point of the original, FFX-2 is like one of those bizarre total conversion mods that misses not only the point but also fundamentally fucks up the gameplay loop and is written by a 16 year old with a really sick fanfiction idea
To me X and X-2 are a pair. The former is one of my favorite games, but you are on rails the whole time. At least with X-2 goofing off in the world is the point. Mechanically X-2's Job system delivers on the flexibility that X's sphere grid only promised. Existentially it was a fun way to explore After The End of a favorite game, or what does the protagonist do after they saved the world.
I also see part of X-2's "weirdness" as a coping mechanism for Yuna's loss in the first game, and the rest of everybody trying their best to distract or support her as she works through that.
I also deliberately ignore the "secret" ending in X-2 because that's like Reviving Aerith levels of heresy.Dark Souls 2 is an amazing game even if it's not a great souls game and I will fight anyone to the death over that.
It's like a fangame made by people who thought the point of dark souls was to be really unfair and kill you a lot
It's amateurish and haphazardly designed, and the story/lore has nothing to do with the quite broad and unexplored world set up in the lore of Dark Souls
It fails as a sequel narratively and in gameplay, and it fails as an independent game gameplay-wise too, especially after the following couple years when the soulslike market was flooded with a thousand better entries
The story has everything to do with Dark Souls 1, they just chose an unexpected aspect to explore. Honestly that's my favorite part of it, and I think it's telling that DS3, a game slavishly devoted to DS1 fan service, still rests its basic premise on a logical extension of the idea of endless cycles established by DS2
The idea of the world of Dark Souls being locked in endless cycles was not established in Dark Souls 2, that was a concept strongly favored in the community of Dark Souls lore nerds long before Dark Souls 2 was ever conceived
So then the lore didn't have nothing to do with Dark Souls?
Today you learned about the concept of hyperbole. I'm proud of ya!
you are the most patronizing, online poster
lmao
Idk what you want me to say to someone who hones in on "x has nothing to do with y" and goes all in on "
actually I think you'll find that it does technically have something to do with it, I award you ten pinnochios 
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Like wtf do you want me to do, pretend the other person wasn't being an asshole? You want a respectful dialogue then don't start that reddit shit lol
No one asked byebye
disengage
What the fuck is your problem, honestly? Why are you so malicious? You're literally just here to try and make a random stranger on the internet feel bad for no reason. What is wrong with you?
heavily ironic for the one getting hostile over dark souls 2
I have only responded with any sort of hostility to people who were hostile to me first. You jumped into a dead multiple day old thread to bully me because you saw that someone else was being an asshole to me and you thought that made it fair game to also be an asshole. I literally haven't said anything rude to anyone who wasn't rude to me first. You aren't even participating in the conversation at all, you're literally just here to be a bully.
Again, why? Explain it to me. Just admit you're a bully and that the mods should've permabanned you ages ago.
Holy shit, fuck off already.
i want to apologize for my previous posts. fuck this other poster (catra) who is peak jackass
you were just all through
Yeah but it's different enough from the other Souls games that it feels unique and special. It's like the most well polished fan overhaul ever. I've played pretty much all the mods and fan overhauls of all the souls games and there's just something about Dark Souls 2 that feels special.
I mean it's still my least favorite entry in the series but. I dunno. Maybe it's the nostalgia though, I remember when it came out I had a friend come over for the weekend and brought his playstation and his TV and we did nothing but co-op most of the game together that weekend. That nostalgia definitely factors into my rosy view of it.
It does have some good co-op, I'll give it that. I've got a friend who loves the game, and I've played hundreds and hundreds of hours of it by now so I know its quirks and flaws and how to get the most out of it, so I still have fun when I play it with him. But I also mercilessly tease him for thinking it's good
I don't think the beautiful slow-paced story full of mystery and wonder and discovery is "BS" that needed to be cut out, so I guess there's the core of the disagreement
Dark Souls 2 is a great fucking game, and that's precisely why it is the worse in the series.