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“Pro-Life”
If that's how you interpret "pro life" then you must be okay with this execution if you're "pro choice". The state "choose" to execute this man after all.
That's the worst attempt at a gotcha I've ever seen.
Ya. It doesn't make sense at all. That's like saying anti abortion legislators are Pro choice because they are choosing to force you to have that rapist's baby.
I mean, the original comment was pretty shit too. That was kinda the point. Knowingly taking words out of context as a gotcha does absolutely nothing useful and only serves to annoy literally everyone involved. You're not clever
Maybe it wasn't a "gotcha"?
Okay, then what on Earth was your point?
That using political slogans outside their intended context and reading them literally is a bad idea.
Also that partisans will only notice when you do that for one side's slogan and not the other.
I'm pretty sure the context that "all life is precious" applies here. That's what pro-lifers claim. But apparently someone who may be innocent still deserves to be executed according to the people pro-lifers knowingly vote for.
He did not dispute the guilty verdict. He is guilty. He admitted guilt. He has not claimed innocence. Quite the contrary, he explicitly claimed to have committed the murder.
He disputed the expert testimony of a witness at his sentencing hearing who claimed he would forever remain a danger.
Nobody is claiming he is innocent in the article that I read.
But you don't think that somebody can believe that life is precious but also that some people don't deserve to live?
Yes, people can believe all kinds of contradictory things. That doesn't make them any less hypocritical.
Do you think people should be free except when they have committed crimes?
Yes, but I don't label myself as "pro-freedom," so I'm not sure what relevance that has.
You really don't get that slogans are designed to be catchy rather than descriptive? Really? REALLY?
Like you never got annoyed about how people (mis)interpreted "defund the police"? Or "black lives matter"?
I'm not misinterpreting anything. If "all life is precious" that means there are no exceptions. And that's what they say.
Of course not. The unjustified confidence of a partisan... sigh
Which party am I a partisan to? Since you seem to know me better than I do...
The guy absolutely convinced he understands "pro life" proponents' intent based off a dictionary reading of their slogan better than they do is now offended that somebody else thinks they know him better than he knows himself based on what he says.
🤣
Oh dear. You can't make it up.
If that's how you interpret "pro choice" no wonder you want control over women's bodies..?
This seems like a poor choice of articles to discuss abortion in though. And yes, I know you didn't start it.
Do you mean to say it's a bad idea to interpret a political slogan literally and in a different context from where it is meant to be used?
I mean, did you make it past the first sentence in my comment?
... Yes? Not sure how the second sentence is relevant though.
Then exactly what fucking point were you trying to make. If you understood the words I wrote, how did I misinterpret yours? I clearly must have...
All I know is I'm confused. 🙂
I was being too clever, perhaps, for lemmy.
Buddy, you being "too clever" is not your issue lol
He didn’t really get to chose. It seems others chose for him…
He chose when he killed his victim.
You’re right. That’s why every aborting woman should be sent to death row /s
Pro-choice is for bodily autonomy. The death penalty is very much against bodily autonomy.
And "pro life" is for fetuses not convicted murderers.
It's interesting how partisans view the world though. Anything I post pointing out this discrepancy is voted way down. But the "hurr pro life" post is voted up.
Tribalism is a hell of a drug. 😆
Did you miss the part where he could have been innocent?
Apparently. Can you point that out to me? What I read said he was convicted and twice sentenced to death. And the defence only challenged the death penalty claiming "Richard Coons, falsely claimed Brewer would be a future danger" without any details about what that means (the article seems to be taking their word for it).
And I see a letter from him apologizing for the murder.
Nowhere do I see anybody claiming he is innocent.
The typical pro life position is that a fetus is a person and therefore has a right to live.
Yes, I used "fetus" here to avoid the inevitable "fetuses aren't people" response.
I'm against capital punishment because convictions can be overturned, but executions cannot.
That said, your crimes against logic are clear and convincing. Ironically, they've also convinced me to change my mind. You, definitely deserve to be executed for this clear case of language perversion and aggregated rhetorical idiocy.
Sooo - my "crime against logic" was a mockery of how bad the logic the person I was responding to was.
I used the same tactic they did. Misunderstanding "the other side" and assuming my straw-man version of their point was valid.
Subtlety doesn't work on Lemmy or with partisans.
It's your misunderstanding, not theirs. The origins of the pro-life movement is Catholic and absolutely includes opposition to capital punishment, as well as abortion.
The Democrat party once accepted slavery. Things change.
A pig's orgasm can last up to 30 minutes!
Figured you'd like to know, as we're now clearly in the sharing irrelevant facts stage of conversation.
I was too subtle. The Catholics who started it are not the fundies chapioning it today.
No, I understood what you were saying. But the Christian fundamentalists hypocrisy doesn't invalidate the critique that being pro capital punishment is antithetical to being pro-life.
I mean.. If the person making the argument tells you that they only believe in death penalties for people who have been convicted of a heinous crime... You're telling me that contradicts their belief that an innocent child should not be killed before birth (their believe - not mine)?
I honestly don't see that as hypocritical.
Lol, good point.